"The increasing frequency of draws is currently a major chess to the popularity..."
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Ways to avoid super GM draws
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Nov 16, 2016
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#3
Do what soccer did....3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw. Getting a win is probably 3x's harder than a draw so it seems mathematically fair.
I also think it would be more fun to make it illegal to offer draw. This would force either checkmate, stalemate, threefold repetition, or insufficient material draws only.
I also think it would be more fun to make it illegal to offer draw. This would force either checkmate, stalemate, threefold repetition, or insufficient material draws only.
Lasker1900 wrote:
It is ridiculously easy to get a repetition if both players are satisfied with that result.
That is hardly relevant. What matters is how easy it is to get a repetition when one player (presumably the lower rated one) would be happy with it, but the other would not. And the answer is, "Not very easy".
BrianLaible wrote:
I also think it would be more fun to make it illegal to offer draw. This would force either checkmate, stalemate, threefold repetition, or insufficient material draws only.
I also think it would be more fun to make it illegal to offer draw. This would force either checkmate, stalemate, threefold repetition, or insufficient material draws only.
And how difficult do you think it would be for a pair of GMs to engineer a believable 3-fold repetition.
There is no evidence that chess needs any change to its rules or scoring system. It is not like soccer where more goals = more interest = more viewers = more money.
I have been watching the WC games, and its amazing how many comments are how "boring" the games are. Comment after comment about how the games arent "exciting" enough, or "agresssive" enough. Its sad that so many chess fans cant appreciate some very good, hard fought chess games. Karjakiian is putting on a clinic on how to play some stellar defense.
Nov 16, 2016
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ModestAndPolite wrote:
BrianLaible wrote:
I also think it would be more fun to make it illegal to offer draw. This would force either checkmate, stalemate, threefold repetition, or insufficient material draws only.
I also think it would be more fun to make it illegal to offer draw. This would force either checkmate, stalemate, threefold repetition, or insufficient material draws only.
And how difficult do you think it would be for a pair of GMs to engineer a believable 3-fold repetition.
There is no evidence that chess needs any change to its rules or scoring system. It is not like soccer where more goals = more interest = more viewers = more money.
Well they could make threefold repetition illegal too. In any sport, there will always be traditionalist who do not want change. The original post asked how to prevent/avoid draws, not the merits of draws, which is a different debate.
Nov 16, 2016
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#8
God, do you really play chess OP to create so many useless rules for chess ?
Why do we want to prevent draws? Draws is a part of the game and I think drawn games are better and more exciting than a game in which one player made not perfect moves and so will end in a win for the other one. Believing that perfect games are draws
Nov 16, 2016
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#10
Can someone point me towards a high level round robin with a lot of tame draws?
Nov 16, 2016
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#11
Also, as for the idea that players would have to play to stalemate or bare kings is crazy.
Look at the final position from game four of the WC match. That took seven hours. It would take several more to get to bare kings/insufficient.
The rules are fine how they are now. Chess is a great game and the logical result of a game at the highest level is a draw.
Look at the final position from game four of the WC match. That took seven hours. It would take several more to get to bare kings/insufficient.
The rules are fine how they are now. Chess is a great game and the logical result of a game at the highest level is a draw.
This just gets back to the study that shows that goldfish now have longer attention spans than people.
Don't be a super GM and you never have to worry about all those draws.
Nov 16, 2016
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#15
I think the problem is that someone looks at the WC match so far and says "Four draws? Lame, they're not even trying."
But if you looked at the games you see that OMG are they pressing for wins. Magnus had big advantages in games 3 and 4, but Karjakin is a demon at defending.
But if you looked at the games you see that OMG are they pressing for wins. Magnus had big advantages in games 3 and 4, but Karjakin is a demon at defending.
An exchange in minor pieces function may made a difference. FE chess.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess960-chess-variants/functional-exchanged-chess
Nov 16, 2016
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#17
I used to think that scoring 1 point for a draw and 3 points for a win would be a good improvement... but once I realized that it is about the same as giving the player a point for losing a game, I changed my mind. No changes to the scoring system, please.
Sorry for the typo guys
ChrisWainscott wrote:
Can someone point me towards a high level round robin with a lot of tame draws?
Yep, the candidates tournament where Giri drew all 14 games.
blueemu wrote:
I used to think that scoring 1 point for a draw and 3 points for a win would be a good improvement... but once I realized that it is about the same as giving the player a point for losing a game, I changed my mind. No changes to the scoring system, please.
How are you giving anybody anything for losing a game?
The increasing frequency of draws is currently a major threat to the popularity of this deep and complicated sport. Let's see how many new ideas you can think of to avoid this problem and make the sport more spicy.
How many more can you all think of?