Wayward queen attack. why do people play it. It's bad

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gingerninja2003

i mainly play rapid however when i'm bored i just mess about with blitz. the problem is though that i only see 2 openings 90% of the time. the wayward queen attack and the Italian game. the Italian game fried liver trap is played over and over again. but the Italian by itself is ok so it's not that bad of practice (it's still bad practice in terms of getting better but it's not as bad as playing the wayward queen attack.).

so why do people play the wayward queen attack? it goes against opening principles. it's simply a bad opening. the reason i go on this site is to improve my chess. playing the wayward queen wont help anyone improve. it's just people who want to get cheap wins which don't benefit them at all. 

if your someone who plays it:

1. change your opening to something good.

2.Why do you play it.

 

 

DavidMMIX

What is the wayward queen attack?

If it is 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 I play it regularly against my ten year old grandson. I also play it with Black sometimes. I want him to learn how to refute it (not just to defend against it).  He is bound to meet it as Black in school matches.

Murgen

There are no cheap wins... only cheap losses! Wink

urk
I'm not aware the "Wayward Queen Attack" has been refuted, if by that you mean 2. Qh5.
It seems sound enough and has some points. I sometimes play it when I'm in the mood.
gingerninja2003
urk wrote:
I'm not aware the "Wayward Queen Attack" has been refuted, if by that you mean 2. Qh5.
It seems sound enough and has some points. I sometimes play it when I'm in the mood.

it's not the best opening is it. a lot of openings are better.

penandpaper0089

It's probably just some kind of Italian game with the queen on f3 if nothing goes wrong.

gingerninja2003
for those who don't know what the wayward queen attack is.

 

GM_chess_player

Probably wants checkmate.

Gs90

 You don't have to play best opening. Even grandmasters sometimes play unorthodox openings (mostly in blitz or rapid though). Example 1.g4

 

ManhattanJack
urk wrote:
I'm not aware the "Wayward Queen Attack" has been refuted, if by that you mean 2. Qh5.
It seems sound enough and has some points. I sometimes play it when I'm in the mood.

 

At what point does something become "refuted"?  Does it require the position to provably lead to a loss?  I think I've seen various gambits being listed as refuted, but the "refutation" tend to only show a few lines for a few moves and certainly don't play things out to the rest of the game.  It seems simply enough to show no gain for the loss of material.  (Are chess engines that play the game out to checkmate actually required behind the scenes?)

 

It seems to me that at best with Qh5, the White Queen will be chased away, forced to move the Queen with no gain... probably to a location it could have moved to the first time.  As if White is saying "No, no.  I'll play Black."  I mean, clearly playing as Black can't be refuted and is probably as good as playing as White in theory... But if 2. Qh5 isn't "refutable", what's the proper word to describe it?  "Bad"?  "Dubious"?

MechHand

gingerninja2003 wrote:

i mainly play rapid however when i'm bored i just mess about with blitz. the problem is though that i only see 2 openings 90% of the time. the wayward queen attack and the Italian game. the Italian game fried liver trap is played over and over again. but the Italian by itself is ok so it's not that bad of practice (it's still bad practice in terms of getting better but it's not as bad as playing the wayward queen attack.).

so why do people play the wayward queen attack? it goes against opening principles. it's simply a bad opening. the reason i go on this site is to improve my chess. playing the wayward queen wont help anyone improve. it's just people who want to get cheap wins which don't benefit them at all. 

if your someone who plays it:

1. change your opening to something good.

2.Why do you play it.

 

 

Add me on live if you want we are about the same blitz level and I never play those openings anymore

urk
Black is almost forced into a fianchetto which he may not like or want to play, but he should probably get a small advantage with best play.
The point is you're instantly out of book with a sound position, or at least that's the way it was when Naka originally played it.
Slow_pawn

My opening software calls it the patzer opening lol but I've definitely lost as black before when white plays that. Can't remember how I got in trouble, something to with white's king knight.  I like seeing that opening though. I play knight c6 and continue to develop while white keeps moving his queen. If you get lucky they will try to play Qb3 adding more pressure on f7 and you can catch them in that knight fork trap winning the bishop. 

Lbjon
I guess in 1 minute bullet chess.... It buys time
4xel

You can't force your opponent to play what you want them to play. If this opening is that bad, just beat em all and rank up. If that's not enough, I got several medicaments for you :

 

  1. Learn how to crush it. after 2...Nc6 3.Bc4 g7 4.Qf 3.Nf6, black has Nd5 if white does not go c3, and else, he got a natural pawn break with d5, which has to be prepared with Na5, chasing and possibly exchanging White LS bishop, and possibly c6 if needed, although (Bg7 and O-O first prevents some Bg5 shenanigans, but I don't think they are a necessity). Another natural plan is Bg4, developing with tempo.
  2. Play 2...Nf6 and show them who's the more aggressive.
  3. Don't play 1...e5. They do play Qh5 all the time because you play 1...e5 all the time. Play a french instead, or a franco sicilian if you dare to, or a scandinavian, or a nimzo.
JuergenWerner
It's called gambling
Slow_pawn
4xel wrote:

You can't force your opponent to play what you want them to play. If this opening is that bad, just beat em all and rank up. If that's not enough, I got several medicaments for you :

 

  1. Learn how to crush it. after 2...Nf6 3.Bc4 g7 4.Qf 3.Nc6, black has Nd5 if white does not go c3, and else, he got a natural pawn break with d5, which has to be prepared with Na5, chasing and possibly exchanging White LS bishop, and possibly c6 if needed, although (Bg7 and O-O first prevents some Bg5 shenanigans, but I don't think they are a necessity). Another natural plan is Bg4, developing with tempo.

Did you type the right moves, 4xel? Wouldn't the queen just take the e5 pawn with check on 2. Nf6? And if the queen didn't take the e5 pawn, white couldn't play 3. Bc4 because the queen is attacked by the knight on F6

4xel
Slow_pawn wrote:
4xel wrote:

You can't force your opponent to play what you want them to play. If this opening is that bad, just beat em all and rank up. If that's not enough, I got several medicaments for you :

 

  1. Learn how to crush it. after 2...Nf6 3.Bc4 g7 4.Qf 3.Nc6, black has Nd5 if white does not go c3, and else, he got a natural pawn break with d5, which has to be prepared with Na5, chasing and possibly exchanging White LS bishop, and possibly c6 if needed, although (Bg7 and O-O first prevents some Bg5 shenanigans, but I don't think they are a necessity). Another natural plan is Bg4, developing with tempo.

Did you type the right moves, 4xel? Wouldn't the queen just take the e5 pawn with check on 2. Nf6? And if the queen didn't take the e5 pawn, white couldn't play 3. Bc4 because the queen is attacked by the knight on F6

 

 

Oopss, yeah, I confused Nf6 and Nc6. Nf6 is playable and is what I meant for my point two. TY, I'll edit and correct that

jonesmikechess

4xel:  "Play 2...Nf6 and show them who's the more aggressive. "  I inferred that this was a gambit.

BigManArkhangelsk

If you want to play against better openings, get higher in the blitz chess rankings!