Nah, I think if someone is beating me pretty good and has proven to be the better player, I'm not going to do a bunch of checks that lead to nothing just so I can collect points. It might be part of the game, but it's cheap and pathetic.
If they have missed a perputal that you have seen, they have not proven to be better than you.
I think you mean "If you have missed a perpetual that your opponent has seen, you haven't proven to be better. (If you end up drawing because of the perpetual.)" Same difference ...
Correct.
Nah, I think if someone is beating me pretty good and has proven to be the better player, I'm not going to do a bunch of checks that lead to nothing just so I can collect points. It might be part of the game, but it's cheap and pathetic.
I have a drawing game I would like to show you. After you see it you are going to feel rather dumb lol. Lets see how cheap and pathetic this game is:
This game is known as the Immortal Draw.
Such a Cheap and Pathetic way to draw huh? White is clearly winning in this position up all that material. LOL
That was a beautiful game!
Well played by white. A forced draw ;-)
I think Black was the one who played brilliantly!
I think Black was the one who played brilliantly!
Black was playing well but I think White was the superior player.
Meitner is a well-known player.
What's the idea behind 14.Bc6? I just read the wiki and it says that if bxc6 ..... the king can no longer be mated. Makes sense because the pawns on either side of the king are gone. But It's hard to see. At least, for me. Therefore, I guess Bc6 was played in order to prevent the c pawn to come to the centre, knowing that if b6+, the bishop and knight will be traded. I think white played really well here. So can I conclude that Bc6 forced b6+ and a trade?
What's the idea behind 14.Bc6? I just read the wiki and it says that if bxc6 ..... the king can no longer be mated. Makes sense because the pawns on either side of the king are gone. But It's hard to see. At least, for me. Therefore, I guess Bc6 was played in order to prevent the c pawn to come to the centre, knowing that if b6+, the bishop and knight will be traded. I think white played really well here. So can I conclude that Bc6 forced b6+ and a trade?
Sorry didnt see your post in time lol.
The idea with Bc6 was white was trying to give back some material so that his king can run away or survive. In some Grand Master games what they do is if they are up alot of material GM's try to give material back in order to be in a favorable position. So if black took the bishop and played:
bxc6 white king wouldn't be in such danger any more becuase the pawn mating net is ruined.
Nxc6 white king would be able to take the d5 pawn and run away from danger back to his side of the board.
Have to rememeber white is up a queen and like 2 minor piece's so if white gives back 1 or 2 minor pieces and survives the attack he will win the game still becuase he is still ahead in material.
Black didn't allow none of that he calcuated precisely in fact his calcuation is even hard for some modern chess engines to see. They considered white winning for most of those moves becuase of all the material getting sacrificed until the moves got played out than they changed their tune and realized the logic behind the move's.
What's the idea behind 14.Bc6? I just read the wiki and it says that if bxc6 ..... the king can no longer be mated. Makes sense because the pawns on either side of the king are gone. But It's hard to see. At least, for me. Therefore, I guess Bc6 was played in order to prevent the c pawn to come to the centre, knowing that if b6+, the bishop and knight will be traded. I think white played really well here. So can I conclude that Bc6 forced b6+ and a trade?
Sorry didnt see your post in time lol.
The idea with Bc6 was white was trying to give back some material so that his king can run away or survive. In some Grand Master games what they do is if they are up alot of material GM's try to give material back in order to be in a favorable position. So if black took the bishop and played:
bxc6 white king wouldn't be in such danger any more becuase the pawn mating net is ruined.
Nxc6 white king would be able to take the d5 pawn and run away from danger back to his side of the board.
Have to rememeber white is up a queen and like 2 minor piece's so if white gives back 1 or 2 minor pieces and survives the attack he will win the game still becuase he is still ahead in material.
Black didn't allow none of that he calcuated precisely in fact his calcuation is even hard for some modern chess engines to see. They considered white winning for most of those moves becuase of all the material getting sacrificed until the moves got played out than they changed their tune and realized the logic behind the move's.
Nice answer :-) Thank you so much!
I think the sac of the Queen was intended to lure black into a mating net.
That would not happen very often I think. What's with the queen sac for black, this position is unclear there is not a definite mate for black and white king can escape and white has plenty of counter play with opportunities all over the board for the win. However this is not the case unless black makes this illogical queen sac
A Grand Master will not sacrfice their queen with out intense calcuation's.
Black calcuations were so accurate after that queen sac that its almost impossible to find the way out. Computer engines have problem's finding the way out lol. In fact a computer engine in 2015 suggested a line for white to escape. However, the advantage for white was less than a pawn and white is forced to give up his queen to get this +1 advantage.
LOL the game I showed was played in 1872( I don't even think light bulbs were invented yet at this time) and engines today in 2015 believe white had 1 line to survive only with less than a pawn advantage. Any other line is forced draw or forced mate that player playing the black sided pieces was a pure monster.
Only way white can escape from this position is if he pretended to have a heart attack and get rushed to hospital only way. That is why it is known as the Immortal Draw. Never has their been such a draw like this.
Jeeeeez! What were these guys on??
Jeeeeez! What were these guys on??
They were animals and not only that but I think they used candles to keep their house lite up. I don't think they had light bulbs yet lol. So they might of played in the dark as well. Such intense calcuations in the dark lol or by a candle can you imagine such a thing. It is the most remarkable draw I ever seen. It is the Immortal Draw it very famous for sure.
Well, as it's part of the game I'm sure it's acceptable, but, if you can find a way to save your bacon, you shoud do it, surely it's your opponent's fault for giving you a chance to punish him for throwing away a win and getting a draw instead. Of course, you would be PO'ed if it happened to you, but that is the consequence of neglecting King safety, or being overconfident, and so on. I know some people think that perpetual check is cheap, unfair, etc, but it is a kind of repetition, and that is also considered a dead draw.
People who do perpetual checks when they are losing are finding a valid line of play to draw a game.
People who do perpetual checks when they are winning, on the other hand, need their head examined.