Before he ever played a GM, Waitzkin was looked at as the next great hope for American chess. Who else did they make a movie about in terms of great American chess hopefuls since Fischer ? It is actually quite a compliment to Fischer to be the standard by which all other American hopefuls are judged.
What happened to Josh Waitzkin?
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nameno1had wrote:
Before he ever played a GM, Waitzkin was looked at as the next great hope for American chess. Who else did they make a movie about in terms of great American chess hopefuls since Fischer ? It is actually quite a compliment to Fischer to be the standard by which all other American hopefuls are judged.
Who ever looked that way was wrong, obviously.
Wasn't he at one point a coach or second of some sort to the US Junior Championship or Chess Olympiad teams?
vengence69 wrote:
Wasn't he at one point a coach or second of some sort to the US Junior Championship or Chess Olympiad teams?
He won a lot of junior championships.
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
vengence69 wrote:
Wasn't he at one point a coach or second of some sort to the US Junior Championship or Chess Olympiad teams?
He won a lot of junior championships.
he also was the stuntman for chuck norris.
I know he did that but I could have sworn that there was a reference to Waitzkin in CHess life about him being a trainer or coach for one of the competitive chess teams in the US in international play.
vengence69 wrote:
I know he did that but I could have sworn that there was a reference to Waitzkin in CHess life about him being a trainer or coach for one of the competitive chess teams in the US in international play.
Don't know.
vengence69 wrote:
I know he did that but I could have sworn that there was a reference to Waitzkin in CHess life about him being a trainer or coach for one of the competitive chess teams in the US in international play.
now i remember why i was so annoyed about Waitzkin, you know he was preaching like he was an old man with really much experience, when was in fact to many still a kid.
Maybe im not fair, but i dont think a kid should give philosophy lessons to other people. I mean chess ok, but philosophy???
Anyway he is so famous, he must have a facebook page i guess.
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Before he ever played a GM, Waitzkin was looked at as the next great hope for American chess. Who else did they make a movie about in terms of great American chess hopefuls since Fischer ? It is actually quite a compliment to Fischer to be the standard by which all other American hopefuls are judged.
Who ever looked that way was wrong, obviously.
If you haven't checked lately, even the best at something, like Fischer for example in chess, can end up as disappointments to many people. The problem is people tend to hold others accountable for expectations that aren't their own, as if they have the right...
nameno1had wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Before he ever played a GM, Waitzkin was looked at as the next great hope for American chess. Who else did they make a movie about in terms of great American chess hopefuls since Fischer ? It is actually quite a compliment to Fischer to be the standard by which all other American hopefuls are judged.
Who ever looked that way was wrong, obviously.
If you haven't checked lately, even the best at something, like Fischer for example in chess, can end up as disappointments to many people. The problem is people tend to hold others accountable for expectations that aren't their own, as if they have the right...
All I ever said was, that after reading his book, "Attacking Chess", it was very obvious to me that he had very high hopes of getting to GM level. If he could have, he would have.
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Before he ever played a GM, Waitzkin was looked at as the next great hope for American chess. Who else did they make a movie about in terms of great American chess hopefuls since Fischer ? It is actually quite a compliment to Fischer to be the standard by which all other American hopefuls are judged.
Who ever looked that way was wrong, obviously.
If you haven't checked lately, even the best at something, like Fischer for example in chess, can end up as disappointments to many people. The problem is people tend to hold others accountable for expectations that aren't their own, as if they have the right...
All I ever said was, that after reading his book, "Attacking Chess", it was very obvious to me that he had very high hopes of getting to GM level. If he could have, he would have.
...but,You keep twisting what I am saying. My statement had everything to do with how he was perceived by others, especially about the time he won his forst US JR Championship, but long before he wrote his book or became an IM. His expectations for becoming a GM were after the fact that others held him up to expectations, based upon not only his "apparent" talent and the void US Chess had after Fischer's time.
If you want to look at him as a failure and call everyone who believed in him wrong, I don't care. It doesn't make you anymore right or better, just someone who focuses on the negatives of a situation, most likely out of lack of personal fulfillment in your own life...
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nameno1had wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Before he ever played a GM, Waitzkin was looked at as the next great hope for American chess. Who else did they make a movie about in terms of great American chess hopefuls since Fischer ? It is actually quite a compliment to Fischer to be the standard by which all other American hopefuls are judged.
Who ever looked that way was wrong, obviously.
If you haven't checked lately, even the best at something, like Fischer for example in chess, can end up as disappointments to many people. The problem is people tend to hold others accountable for expectations that aren't their own, as if they have the right...
All I ever said was, that after reading his book, "Attacking Chess", it was very obvious to me that he had very high hopes of getting to GM level. If he could have, he would have.
...but,You keep twisting what I am saying. My statement had everything to do with how he was perceived by others, especially about the time he won his forst US JR Championship, but long before he wrote his book or became an IM. His expectations for becoming a GM were after the fact that others held him up to expectations, based upon not only his "apparent" talent and the void US Chess had after Fischer's time.
If you want to look at him as a failure and call everyone who believed in him wrong, I don't care. It doesn't make you anymore right or better, just someone who focuses on the negatives of a situation, most likely out of lack of personal fulfillment in your own life...
I don't consider getting to IM level as being a failure. I just think these people are silly for thinking of him as some kind of chess god, who could have been better than anybody EVER.
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
Before he ever played a GM, Waitzkin was looked at as the next great hope for American chess. Who else did they make a movie about in terms of great American chess hopefuls since Fischer ? It is actually quite a compliment to Fischer to be the standard by which all other American hopefuls are judged.
Who ever looked that way was wrong, obviously.
If you haven't checked lately, even the best at something, like Fischer for example in chess, can end up as disappointments to many people. The problem is people tend to hold others accountable for expectations that aren't their own, as if they have the right...
All I ever said was, that after reading his book, "Attacking Chess", it was very obvious to me that he had very high hopes of getting to GM level. If he could have, he would have.
...but,You keep twisting what I am saying. My statement had everything to do with how he was perceived by others, especially about the time he won his forst US JR Championship, but long before he wrote his book or became an IM. His expectations for becoming a GM were after the fact that others held him up to expectations, based upon not only his "apparent" talent and the void US Chess had after Fischer's time.
If you want to look at him as a failure and call everyone who believed in him wrong, I don't care. It doesn't make you anymore right or better, just someone who focuses on the negatives of a situation, most likely out of lack of personal fulfillment in your own life...
I don't consider getting to IM level as being a failure. I just think these people are silly for thinking of him as some kind of chess god, who could have been better than anybody EVER.
They weren't worshipping him in " Finding Bobby Fischer " , then again, I have never seen a chess player worshipped...
...it would appear you are making out the hopes of others to be more than they were...
...it isn't completely foolish to think that someone may rival another who is labelled best ever by some, if they seem to perform at the same level, during the same age, similar situations, etc... a bit rash maybe, but not completely out of the question...
But its fair to say that its like that he and his family cashed in pretty good with his ( deserved/undeserved) fame and that his family was definetly pushed good on the PR site. Definetly not Justin Biber class but still..
Ofc IM is not a failure, well ofc its all relatives. Donald Trump probably sometimes says:" im such a failure, why im not as rich as Warren Buffet" and Branson probably says "man im so rich and do all the crazy stuff, why is that Donald Trump so famous, im such a failure"
I'm talking about the people on this site, who seem to worship him. It's called "Searching for Bobby Fischer."
Penguin books and Paramount studios didn't spend tens of millions of dollars publishing, filming, and promoting Fred's book because Josh was a young chess prodigy hailed by some as the next Bobby Fischer. They did so because they knew a good story when they saw one, whether it was based on an actual person or not. Josh's subsequent celebrity (and his family's good fortune), such as it was, wasn't a reflection of his chess greatness or any expectations the chess world may have had for him. It was strictly a product of having successfully navigated the mass entertainment sphere.
He was the next Bobby Fischer....I haven't heard any other IM's looked upon so promisingly...
If that's not a joke, I've lost any thought that you might be intelligent. Even he admitted that a GM could take his best strategy, and make it blow up in his face.