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What if a girl became World Chess Champion?
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Then perhaps I was going into an unnecessary dissertation in my previous posts that you gentlemen called me out on. The longer my posts are, the more of a translation it will need.
Jun 12, 2014
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#864
December_TwentyNine wrote:
Mr Grobe sir!! Can you translate this for me? Theoreticalboy and Jamiedelarosa if you also feel this post is degrading, sexist and insulting, please point it out to the forum.
I understand the topic is about what if a girl became the world chess champion.
Well...let me ask you this: What were to happen, if the world chess champion, became a girl?
No, it is not insulting. You are asking what if a champion is transgender. More power to her!
I am reasonably sure there are transgender players on the site. If the statistics are to be believed, about 1 out of every 300 to 350 people are transgender (0.3% of the population). And about 3.5% of the population identifies with the LBGTQ community.
I know of no reason why these estimates do not apply to the chess-playing world. In fact, I would not be surprised of there were not a higher percentage of gay and lesbian chessplayers.
If this site has had about 9 million members, then some 30,000 may have been transgender.
"I know of no reason why these estimates do not apply to the chess-playing world."
That's the thing. For example, introverts are somewhat outnumbered, in general, by extroverts, but regarding chess players this is probably not the case. In that example using the statistics of the whole population would be completely misleading. So there could certainly be more or less transgender players than the general statistics would suggest, because you are not simply taking a random sample from the population, but rather comparing two different groups (the whole population and chess players).
It's hard to say whether transgender people would have the same proportion of chess players -- I don't know enough about that group of people.
Jun 12, 2014
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#866
Elubas wrote:
"I know of no reason why these estimates do not apply to the chess-playing world."
That's the thing. For example, introverts are somewhat outnumbered, in general, by extroverts, but regarding chess players this is probably not the case. In that example using the statistics of the whole population would be completely misleading. So there could certainly be more or less transgender players than the general statistics would suggest, because you are not simply taking a random sample from the population, but rather comparing two different groups (the whole population and chess players).
It's hard to say whether transgender people would have the same proportion of chess players -- I don't know enough about that group of people.
True! Chess players are not a representative sample of the general population. They tend to be predominately male. But from the things I just read, there is more and more evidence that transgenderism may result from random events in the womb (nature vs nurture), and so if the variable is randomized, then the sample of the population is less important.
The stats came from a metastudy (study of previously published data) by the Williams Institute at UCLA, 2011. I would really have to dig a lot deeper to find how they arrived at those numbers. I just took them at face value.
1. There are transgender people on this website. We have some on team Canada.
2. I wouldn't bother sitting around and thinking about how many. Stats on these things are difficult to come up with to begin with, and when applied to a chess website the situation would be a nightmare. How many accounts on this site are even real or active? What about the fake "hot girl" accounts? What about c_h_e_a_t_e_r? etc.
Would you describe the current champion, Magnus Carlsen, as a boy? No? By using "girl" instead of "woman" you are belittling female players. It is just as possible for a woman to play chess as a man, and undoubtedly we will see a woman as world chess champion one day.
IpswichMatt wrote:
owltuna wrote:
this happened very near in time to two other famously celebrated sporting events: the controversial USSR gold medal over the USA in basketball at Munich in 1972,
I wasn't aware of that until I saw your post - don't see much about basketball here. Just been googling it and found that the US team felt so strongly that they were cheated that they still have not accepted their Silver medals.
This is what wikipedia said about the captain: "Kenny Davis reported that he had gone so far as to have a clause put into his will forbidding his wife, children or descendants from ever accepting the silver medal after his death.In 2012, Davis organized a reunion of the 12 team members — the first time they had all been together since 1972 — and reported that after some discussion, the group was unanimous in its rejection of the silver medals."
Have to admire that stance!
Yup, the "sour grapes" stance is, universally, admirable.
I hope it's a Leo Durocher vid!
Jun 13, 2014
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#872
CoolJools wrote:
Would you describe the current champion, Magnus Carlsen, as a boy?
Yes, Magnus Carlsen is a boy.
owltuna wrote:
Sour grapes is one thing, obvious out-and-out cheating is another. Discerning the difference between the two sometimes is difficult, but failure to even make the attempt before rendering judgement is dishonest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_5W0yrk39k
(spoiler alert: not an irrelevant music video )
For sure. If the two horrible officiating screw-ups had gone against the USSR, that would have been perfectly fair competition. Screw ups that go against the US are cheating.
If the best you can do is put your team up by 1 point at the very end of the game, the you might get burned by bad officiating. That's how sports works, especially basketball. If you want to protect yourself from that, don't let the other team lead the game all the way until the last three seconds. If the US had had a three point lead, none of the screw-ups would have mattered.
A loser is as a loser does. 42 years of cry-babyism makes one a loser. An athlete with a shred of dignity would take the silver, and explain to his grandkids that sometimes things don't go your way, even when they should, but that it is always an honor to play for one's country no matter the official result. That's what legions upon legions of other athletes who've gotten screwed out of a win or a medal over the centuries have always done. The 72 team are just acting like entitled brats.
Jun 13, 2014
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#874
I could maybe see xi jun winning the world cup, because alot of that is luck and how good u can play speed chess under pressure, but the classical world champion title is safe for at least another 2 years
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goommba88
owltuna wrote:
From the sublime to the ridiculous. It's well that you see the obvious, but your leap into the abyss of irrationality is bizarre, to say the least.
Look, I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box, that much is pretty clear, so I don't really see what's irrational about what I said...but I'll take your word for it.
But, I've been on teams that have lost championships because of bad officiating, and I've been on teams that have lost championships because of actual cheating, and I've watched both a million times on TV. That's part of sports. Was I mad in the moment? Sure. But I'm not proud of that fact. The only dignified thing to do in those situations is accept your second place trophy, give a nod to the fact that your opponent scored 51 points in the game and even if 2 of them were, indeed, bullshit, they earned all the rest of them, shake hands, and tell your grand-kids about it in such a way as to teach them not to be a little brat out on the field of play.
Check out Armando Gallaraga's reaction when he was 100% no-question-about-it screwed out of what would have been the single greatest accomplishment of his career. A smile, a nod, a handshake...dignity.
If that's ridiculous, I'm happy to be ridiculous.
what's bad if a girl becomes the worlds chess champion
It will happen eventually. Somewhere along the line someone is going to say the bad words and then someone is going to jail because of some sexist comments about not allowing a woman to become a world chess champion. The authorities are going to be forced to allow women to play in the tournement, and the reason why those people concerned are going to have a problem with it is simply because these women will probably end up mating them in 20 moves or less and they know it. Very easily understood.
Translation: If you know you're going to get your ass kicked before the fight you're not going to enter nor allow the fight to happen, unless you enjoy that kind of abuse.
Mr Grobe sir!! Can you translate this for me? Theoreticalboy and Jamiedelarosa if you also feel this post is degrading, sexist and insulting, please point it out to the forum.
I understand the topic is about what if a girl became the world chess champion.
Well...let me ask you this: What were to happen, if the world chess champion, became a girl?