What is considered a good rating for certain ages like 15 years old?

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CavalryFC
ponz111 wrote:

Gaining 100 rating points per year and to continue doing this is not a realistic goal. The higher rating you achieve--the harder it is to gain  rating points.  

When I was your age I was paid for teaching chess and the highest rating I ever achieved

was 2550 which was not enough to earn a living.  To ever be a grandmaster you would

need to have a much higher rating by this point.

Just enjoy your chess and set more realistic goals.

 

Wait. You were 2550 USCF at one time?

 

EDIT : I just went and read your page. That's a pretty impressive history.

 

Patszer
CavalryFC wrote:

I think you are doing awesome. Please keep an open mind when I ask questions though. I work with lots of kids. I'm a sport coach for exactly your age. I'm also helping a chess player who is exactly your age. First what is your USCF rating? If you don't have one and have never played in USCF or FIDE OTB tournaments then it is impossible for us to predict your top end. Second, why do you need us to tell you that you are doing well? I realize this is very difficult for teenagers to grasp but self confidence and happiness come from within. I'm constantly telling my athletes that I AM proud of them. And their parents are proud of them. But you should never seek out approval from me or your parents. It won't make you happy in the long run. Finally, I think having goals is great. Wanting to be a GM someday ...sure ... why not? But why not set goals that are more short term attainable? Achieve a USCF rating of 1600 before you turn 16? or learn certain endings flawlessly? You will feel good when you hit the small targets. Trust me. And don't let people say you can't do something. Set a realistic short term goal. Work at it. Achieve.

I think this advice is right on the money. Great job coach!

JustOneUSer
#15

Well there ARE lots of kids younger then you with a lot higher ratings, and I've met some kids with a chess.com rating of 2000. (Although a significantly lower OTB rating.)
JustOneUSer
Again I'm not saying you are low for your age- your not. Your doing great. But I don't think you can strive for grandmaster- maybe pick a more reachable goal, like being best at your local chess club (if you have one, if not, look for one, most cities have one hidden away somewhere) or maybe if you really want to aim BIG then try for a smaller master title. (NM, CM, IM.) but only a few thousand people can achieve these.
JustOneUSer
#16

They don't need a 2500. They need a rating above 1500. I know of at least 3 people under 18 in my tiny city which rarely plays chess who can do that. And you still don't have a plausible rating. 1500 on chess.com could be anywhere between 1100-1800 OTB, and probably on the lower end.

Yes you "beat" 74% of chess.com (including- sandbaggers people who played like one game and then gave up or played say one blitz game, didn't like it, and so just play bullet but have a under-their real score blitz rating, if that makes sense. There are thousands of those)

But to be a GM you HAVE to be in the top 0.5% of chess.com players or HIGHER. and there's probably several THOUSAND people your age or lower higher then you are at the minute, and then there are thousands and thousands and thousands of players who don't have CC accounts.

But I could be wrong. If the only reason your playing chess is to be a GM... Maybe stop. It's like a 15 year old who is in his city soccer team only playing football so he can end up in Man United. Or the best tennis player in a state thinking that they will stop playing tennis unless they make it to the top 100.

Play to enjoy. If you really truly truly truly and completely believe you can get a title... Go for it. But keep in mind your chances of becoming a GM is, although higher then mine, very, very, very slim- if imagine well under 1%..
jbent02

You would have to quit school and study chess 8 hours a day to be a GM by 30.

Daniel1115

QueenBomb wrote:

I think that I have a better chance at grandmaster then you're saying cause what you guys are saying seems a bit unrealistic itself. I'm not saying you're all liers I just have no proof that that's actually true. Any child with a 2500 rating is very famous and very rare so no not many kids beat me. You do realize mostly adults play on Chess.com and I beat 74% of them. Sure even adults don't play that much but my brain is still developing and I've only played for like 3 years and for the first year I only played on physical game boards every once in a while.

The median rating is the starting Elo, it's very easy to get above that. It's very hard to hit gm if you don't hit master title or close to it when you are young. The only reason ur claim about adults might hold up is because there are physically more 18+ than 8-18(younger will not play online or chess at all). Otb is significantly higher competition, since it's more serious and less accessible. From another post it's clear you also 1) are scared of losing(rating) which will only hurt you and 2) are not very independent/committed. Clearly you plainly do not understand the hard work it takes to improve

ponz111

It does not matter that much where you live. In this day and age there are umteen resources where you can improve your skill levels greatly and so far you have apparently not done this. 

There is no hope for you to become a GM. There is very little hope for you to even reach 2200 for your ultimate best rating. This is reality. You do not understand how the rating system works if you think you can gain 100 points per year for any long period of years.

lfPatriotGames
QueenBomb wrote:

Well the thing is that I only started playing chess at 12 and I'm a fast learner. I gain like another hundred points each year which is why I think I can make grandmaster by 30. If I keep up with the same rate which I know I won't but if I keep going at a good rate like I have been then I should get grandmaster eventually. I certainly want it bad enough I spend about 3 hours a day on chess and I plan to pay for a lot of lessons in a few months.

I was reading some of the comments and I expected the usual pessimism, which although true, isn't very encouraging. Then I read that you started at age 12 and have been playing for 3 years. 

If you started at 12, have been playing for 3 years and currently have a rating of 1500 I would say the people who say how difficult it is for you to become a grandmaster are actually being optimistic. I am guessing it has never been done before in a situation like yours, and likely never will be done. It's as close to an impossible goal as you could probably choose. There is a MUCH higher chance you will visit the moon or win the lottery or get hit by lightning......multiple times......in a closet.

I agree with most everyone else, choose a more realistic goal. One that will make you just as happy or even happier. Chess is a game, not a profession. It's meant for fun, to challenge your friends, to socialize. It's not a career choice because the amount of effort that goes in has almost no chance of producing any worthwhile result.

Also, someone more qualified than me could comment, but if you are only spending 3 hours a day on your goal that's probably further reason to believe becoming a grandmaster will never happen. Starting where you are now, you probably would have to spend 2 to 3 times that much.

QueenBomb

Well I never wanted chess as a career. I have another main plan. Chess was a side idea. I only thought grandmaster was easier because I read online that 2500 is grandmaster rating. So I thought a lot of people were lying when they said that I need to be much higher since, even though this is quite far, I'm only a 1000 points away. 1000 points is a far cry but after 10 years or so I thought I'd make that. What rating is grandmaster rating? Maybe I am wrong. I won't be real dissapointed if I don't get GM I just at least want to get good enough to teach chess and stream online with some people actually watching. I never wanted chess at the main though. If I'm wrong then that's fine but as long as I am good enough to be able to teach for a little profit or stream with people watching then I'm good.

QueenBomb

Please answer my question. What is grandmaster rating? Because I read online as soon as you hit 2500 you get GM

QueenBomb

BTW I mean I thought I'd get GM after 20 years or so. I certainly do not expect GM by 25 years old Lol

 

cellomaster8
I think you need to have a bunch of quality tournaments, a norm of 2500 FIDE, and enough money to pay for your title
notmtwain
QueenBomb wrote:

Please answer my question. What is grandmaster rating? Because I read online as soon as you hit 2500 you get GM

No, that's not true. It is not based off your rating. You have to play in and finish highly in several tournaments with enough grandmasters and international masters to earn a norm. Read about it on FIDE website.

santiagomagno15

For a 15 years old I would consider that 2000 is good, I had an student he start playing when he was 13 and enter with me when he was 14 and in one year I put it to 1450, so I cant consider that 1500 is good, I start quite late, when I was 18 years old and in only 1 year I had something like that, so yeah, like 1900 is good for a 15 year old, and I think you can be GM, you only have to dedicate a lot and really want it and fight for it

JustOneUSer
You'd have to put in an INSANE amount of effort to stand a tiny, tiny, tiny chance of becoming a GM.

and yes, if you did quit school and spent all your time studying chess, you might get to a 10-15% or more chance of being a GM. but that's how much effort it would take to get such a tiny chance of doing so.

Also, when you say a 2500 rating (a few people have already commented on tournaments and the like so I won't cross that bridge again) you have to remember that is an OTB rating. That could be 2700 or 2800 On chess.com.

Anyway, there was some player (can't remember who) who said that getting between (it could have been 2100, but you get the idea) 2000 and 2200 was more difficult then getting from 0-2000
Daniel1115

2500 fide. Not chess.com. Chess.com above 1800 blitz tend to be inflated. As you go up its harder to keep increasing your rating. Maybe assume that to get to 100 points more it will take 2x as long (and as much work) as it took to get the previous 100 (obviously this is not accurate), but just calculate it and you will see how crazy it can get.

lfPatriotGames
QueenBomb wrote:

Well I never wanted chess as a career. I have another main plan. Chess was a side idea. I only thought grandmaster was easier because I read online that 2500 is grandmaster rating. So I thought a lot of people were lying when they said that I need to be much higher since, even though this is quite far, I'm only a 1000 points away. 1000 points is a far cry but after 10 years or so I thought I'd make that. What rating is grandmaster rating? Maybe I am wrong. I won't be real dissapointed if I don't get GM I just at least want to get good enough to teach chess and stream online with some people actually watching. I never wanted chess at the main though. If I'm wrong then that's fine but as long as I am good enough to be able to teach for a little profit or stream with people watching then I'm good.

Chess isn't your only plan, it's just a side idea, and you think you can become a grandmaster?? Even if you devoted your entire life, you had the support of your family (financial support, etc), and had the desire and motivation, it would still be next to impossible. Of course it's possible, but so is winning the lottery 5 times in a row. I think you need to be realistic. You dont need to be a grandmaster to teach chess. By far most chess teachers are not grandmasters. There are only about 1600 grandmasters in the world and every single one of them have a crazy amount of talent. You have been playing for 3 years and say you are at a 1500 rating. I'm sorry, but that's nearly zero talent. If I were you I would choose a much more likely goal, like curing cancer.

ChessBooster

FIDE 2650

LM_player
I try to gain 100 rating points every year. Right now, I am 15 and at 1500 elo.
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