What is the best way to attack the Hippopotamus Defense??

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Uhohspaghettio1

ok, this is getting disturbing. 

X_PLAYER_J_X
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

lol, I just put it through houdini who says it's a toss-up between d5 and c5 on move 7. When are you going to get it? You do not know anything, about, chess, not except very some very basic stuff and not enough to make "analysis" for other people of. 

If you play 7...d5

I can just simply play 8.Bd3 or 8.exd5 and return my bishop to d3. An my bishop on c4 as provoked a weakness.


I just loaded this position with an engine and it likes the idea of just taking exd5 than playing Bb3 instead of Bd3.

With the idea I said before of just targetting the d5 pawn. Probably even more precise that way. However, playing 8.exd5 than 9.Bd3 still keeps my bishop active while blacks bishop is terrible.

Uhohspaghettio1

No.... you're doing it again. You're doing that nonsense thing again. 

*puts his hand over your mouth*

Just stop man... just stop. 

X_PLAYER_J_X
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

No.... you're doing it again. You're doing that nonsense thing again. 

*puts his hand over your mouth*

Just stop man... just stop. 

You are playing 7...d5  after black played 1...d6

An you are saying I'm talking nonsense on a Hippo Defense Thread.

How many Hippo Defense games have you seen/played in your life time Pal?

So go ahead keep talking about irrelevent things you have no clue about. You have yet contributed to this thread with anything valueable.

You are simply upset becuase even your own computer engine is agreeing with me. How sad that is.

BirdsDaWord

X_Player_J_X, spaghettio loves to troll players.  Disregard him, man, just a waste of your time. 

Uhohspaghettio1

Wrong BirdBrain, I never trolled anyone. I'm a good and reputable poster.

Everyone good thinks his analysis is crap and worthless. It's about time people stopped trying to be nice and tell him so. 

X_PLAYER_J_X
BirdBrain wrote:

X_Player_J_X, spaghettio loves to troll players.  Disregard him, man, just a waste of your time. 

I believe you are right. He likes to follow me in different threads. To try and disprove everything I say. Which is why he said the below text.

Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

And people wonder how I know you're full of crap... 

I have to admit I do find it rather amusing.

No one is going to pull the wool over Uh-Oh Spaghettios eyes. He has a mother intuition. He knows when people are telling him lie's.

I figured the fact I didn't have a title next to my name would of given me away a long time ago lol.

BirdsDaWord

Spaghettio, I remember having a moment just like X_Player a few years ago with you.  Regardless if you are right or wrong, it is the way you hold yourself in the discussion.  No one comes to these forums with good intentions to discuss something with someone who does it the way you do.  AND if you had decency, you would refrain from your negative discourse.  I only called you out because you seem to make a habit out of this - first on me in the past, and now on him.  Just brought back old memories.

If you want to prove that you aren't acting that way, stay away from the negative verbage and simply discuss lines.

Uhohspaghettio1

BirdBrain I vaguely remember us having some argument, but I have never said anyone didn't know about chess other than this guy. And the reason why is because he comes on every single day and comes up with all this "analysis" and it's mostly all nonsense. Now is it a mercy more to leave him go on as he is, or is it better to let him know the truth? Well Birdbrain there are other people involved also, novice players listening who think he's giving decent analysis. It's a person's duty to point it out.  

tmkroll

This is not quite the Hippo propper and not even as ambitious for White as what people have suggested but mostly the philopsohy of how to play against similar systems is helpful here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-c-_QLCzc0

Tatzelwurm

Against the ugly Hippo, I suggest to go for one of the pawn breaks c5 or f5.

Coincidentally, Aronian did exactly that in the game Haggard has posted.

X_PLAYER_J_X
tigerprowl10 wrote:

I am trying to follow the "d5" debate.  Looks like X_PLAYER_J_X is talking about white playing d5 and Uhohspaghettio1 is talking about black playing d5.

 

I don't see a game example of black playing d5, and if white does, then the bishop on e3 can later take the knight on b6.

 

If you choose to reply to this post, please post moves to show what you mean exactly.  At least X_PLAYER_J_X is trying to illustrate their point, I don't see Uhohspaghettio1 backing up what they say with moves.

Thank You Tiger.

The reason why Uhohspaghettio1 has trouble discrediting me is becuase he can't back up what he say's.

His statements in themselves make no sense. If black was going to play the move d5 it wouldn't even be a Hippo Defence. An playing the move d6 than d5 makes no sense just a wasted tempo. An whites position is rather typical.

The reason black plays d6 and e6 with both his bishops fianchetteoed is to help facilitate a c5 or f5 pawn break.

The knights in the center also help support such break's.

If their idea was to play e5 or d5 than the moves d6 and e6 would of came at a complete waste of effort/time. It isn't their true goal to play those move's.

Generally when a Hippo player plays e5 or d5 it has came after white has released the tension in the center and pushed their pawn.

I have watched several video's and GM games about the line. Simon Williams has played it before with black piece's.

X_PLAYER_J_X

Here is what the Hippo Defence looks like with the White piece's.

It is called the Pincer Attack

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/the-pincer-attack2

Generally it is not recommended to play it with the white pieces becuase it is to passive and usually you want to strive for more with the white piece's.

However, that would be considered its bother/sister opening with the white piece's.

KingMagikarp

Thank you all for your posts.  I am particularly interested now in that pincer attack mentioned lol.

RelaxedMoves

Scheme F against Pincer (See also Tatzelwurms comment):



janniktr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsMBHySzkC8

KingMagikarp

Thanks Janniktr :)

RelaxedMoves
Wooloomooloo2 hat geschrieben:
(...) I got a lot more out of his posts than yours.

True. Eg. he is the one who named it correctly. it is called Pincer.

Uhohspaghettio1
Wooloomooloo2 wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

Wrong BirdBrain, I never trolled anyone. I'm a good and reputable poster.

Not really - you started with the insult on this thread, and then went on to tell someone they know nothing about the game, and used a game engine to prove your point. It's fine to disagree with someone, but you don't have to be rude doing it.

I got a lot more out of his posts than yours.

You got a lot more nonsense is what you got. I would rather be honest than nice and pretending someone else is making sense. 

Wooloomooloo2, he is notorious for using engines in his "analysis". He is always using them, and it's unquestionable that if the engine didn't like my move for whatever reason that he was going to have an utter field day with it. So after I made my post I put it through an engine myself and yes, it was a perfectly valid move (proving him wrong).  

I note that in his latest claims, he believes that d5 is wrong because he noticed the black bishop is on b7, as if he's never seen an opening with a fianchettoed bishop behind a central pawn before. That was implicit to the entire discussion. And more nonsense about how d6 must be bad, because if black was going to play d5 he would have done it sooner.  

  

Uhohspaghettio1

FiveofSwords, do you believe "playing d6 and then later playing d5 makes no sense", and repeating that so there is no confusion is an intelligent chess statement and insightful analysis? Being honest? I'm not trying to be a bad guy here, I'm just trying to bring everything into the open.