what is the least amount of mateirial you can force a checkmate with?

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For KBNK

Longest mate score (WTM): MateIn33
Sample WTM longest mating position: 8/8/8/8/8/7B/8/Nk5K w - - 0 1

Optimal move sequence from the above WTM longest mating position:

1. Nb3 Kc2 2. Be6 {Nc5 Nd4+} Kd3 3. Bg8 {Kg2 Kh2} Ke3 {Ke4} 4. Kg2 Ke4 {Kf4} 5.
Kf2 {Kg3} Ke5 {Kf4 Kf5} 6. Ke3 {Kf3} Kd6 {Kf5 Kf6} 7. Bc4 {Kd4 Ke4 Kf4 Nd2 Nd4}
Ke5 {Ke7} 8. Nd4 Kf6 9. Ke4 {Kf4} Kg5 {Kg6 Kg7} 10. Ke5 {Ne2} Kg6 11. Nc6 {Ne2
Nf5} Kg7 {Kh6} 12. Ne7 Kh7 13. Kf6 Kh8 14. Ba2 {Bb3 Bd5 Be6 Bf7 Ng6+} Kh7 15.
Ng6 Kh6 16. Bg8 Kh5 17. Ne5 Kh4 18. Bd5 {Kf5} Kg3 {Kh5} 19. Nd3 Kg4 20. Kg6 Kh4
21. Bb3 {Bf3} Kg3 {Kg4} 22. Bd1 Kh4 23. Be2 {Bh5 Kf5 Kf6 Kh6} Kg3 24. Kf5 {Kg5
Kh5} Kh3 {Kh4} 25. Kf4 {Kg5} Kh4 26. Ne1 Kh3 27. Bg4+ Kh2 28. Kf3 Kg1 29. Bh3
Kh2 30. Kg4 Kg1 {Kh1} 31. Kg3 Kh1 32. Bg2+ Kg1 33. Nf3#

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Wait, I'm not sure I understand the stipulation...can't you just have Kings on a6 and a8, and a White pawn on h7...?

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Firestopr wrote:

ummm. least amount of material... with only 2 kings.... hmmm.... two pawns then

how do you plan on reaching that legally when black is supposed to have no material

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p-wnattack wrote:
Firestopr wrote:

ummm. least amount of material... with only 2 kings.... hmmm.... two pawns then

how do you plan on reaching that legally when black is supposed to have no material



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Yes guys, it is two pawns. I have done it myself. 

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doduobird123 wrote:

Wait, for both sides?

 

I am pritty confident this can only be Black to move.

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agnsu wrote:
doduobird123 wrote:

Wait, for both sides?

 

I am pritty confident this can only be Black to move.

Pritty?

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tubebender wrote:

To all: Buy an endgame book. Good grief! The more I look at this site, the more my friend was right: you either lose some IQ points, go blind or start suffering from the atrophying of your testicles. Maybe all of the above. I know I should be nicer but I have trouble dealing with people with IQ`s under 68.436692. I`ll try to be less obnoxious and caustic.

You don't even know how to use your accent marks. lol. Your chess sucks, that must mean your IQ sucks as well?

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FancyKnight wrote:

I think the opposite question is more interesting

 

I actually also asked this question =D anyway so far I have to say the best one goes to scottfr...

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tubebender wrote:

To all: Buy an endgame book. Good grief! The more I look at this site, the more my friend was right: you either lose some IQ points, go blind or start suffering from the atrophying of your testicles. Maybe all of the above. I know I should be nicer but I have trouble dealing with people with IQ`s under 68.436692. I`ll try to be less obnoxious and caustic.

Then stop looking at forums and groups, and i guarentee everything else is positive

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Pretend the queen is an amazon/maharaja (queen+knight).

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tubebender wrote:
Xieff wrote:
tubebender wrote:

To all: Buy an endgame book. Good grief! The more I look at this site, the more my friend was right: you either lose some IQ points, go blind or start suffering from the atrophying of your testicles. Maybe all of the above. I know I should be nicer but I have trouble dealing with people with IQ`s under 68.436692. I`ll try to be less obnoxious and caustic.

You don't even know how to use your accent marks. lol. Your chess sucks, that must mean your IQ sucks as well?

What do you mean by accent marks? By the way, my USCF correspondence rating is over 2000, my OTB rating was as high as 1764 years ago and I maintained a 1600+ rating for nearly 8 years. I`ve won my fair share of trophies in OTB, have come in clear 2nd or have tied for 2nd in many USCF correspondence events  and I even won a double round robin postal contest. True, I do not do well in blitz but after all, blitz is not "real" Chess. How good are you? Also, you are pathetic to criticize one`s punctuation. You might be good in Chess but then again you may simply be an "idiot savant". I estimate your IQ at about 99.3.

Haha! You don't know IQs worth junk. Do you know what an apostrophe is? I know...2nd, How grand! Always 2nd...Good job. Correspondance ratings are highly inflated. I am not putting down correspondance, however correspondance is a whole different ball park. Blitz is real chess. So is correspondance. They are just different in the aspect of time controls. As for talking about idiots: Who came in this thread insulting people's IQ and telling them to get an endgame book? Hmm, that's a good question. I wonder!

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I-eat-guini-pigs wrote:
Nobodyisallowed wrote:

Kings are infinite points so...

ok asuming kings are worth 0 points each....

no like this:

the is a white king h6 and a white king in g7, black has his king in h8.

CHECKMATE!

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?

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ajjita it has to be forced...

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Kg8 :/

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FancyKnight wrote:

I think the opposite question is more interesting

 

You can still have more.