Who are the nicest chess players at the top?

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Somebodysson
Vease wrote:

I assume you weren't around when Fischer played for the World Championship? It wasn't just a chess match, it was a symbol of the cold war and portrayed as western individualism versus the state machinery of a communist regime. What people saw in Fischer (at the time) was the romance of a single man taking on the chess apparatus of an entire nation and beating them. Spassky of course is a charming and humane man and not really cut out for the role of villain but thats how it was advertised in the media at the time. Fischer wasn't as paranoid and delusional then as he became later so to Americans and Western chess fans in general he became a hero, when it became apparent he was not going to defend his title thats when the disappointment started. After that it was just all downhill, in his own mind nobody ever took the title from him over the board but it was 'stolen' from him. Scapegoats had to be sought, and when literally nothing matters to you in life other than your ability to play chess and you are a sociopath to boot, those scapegoats turn from 'the russians' to your own country and what your increasingly damaged mind believes to be some jewish conspiracy preventing you from getting your dues.

Thats all rather sad (to say the least) so people prefer to remember the Fischer of 1970-72 and the 20 consecutive wins and the crushing of Petrosian and Spassky rather than dwell on the appalling later years.

yes, very nicely written, and true. And Judit Polgar. She's a sweetie, really.  Although she's not at the top I was charmed by Irina Krush on her recent co-commentating with Mike Klein on the Polgar-Short death match.

ChastityMoon

GambitKing

Would have been a very one sided relationship because he would have had no respect for you -  zero, nada, zip!!

 

To him you would have been a "weakie" unworthy to gaze upon him or to even touch your own chess pieces.

 

What is there to respect?  Marvel at perhaps.   Spend every waking moment of a lifetime obsessing about a game but refusing in his psychotic insecurity to put himself at the risk of losing what he achieved partly due to his hysterics.

The arc of his life produced one enormous disappointment for those who followed him.  A misfit who should have played against computers his entire life because he lacked humanity.

Spiritbro77

Bobby Fischer was an awesome chess player. One of the greatest to ever play the game. As a human being, he was despicable.

macer75
Spiritbro77 wrote:

Bobby Fischer was an awesome chess player. One of the greatest to ever play the game. As a human being, he was despicable.

I would use the word "outspoken," but whatever...

Spiritbro77

If outspoken means racist....

If giggling with glee after 9/11 is simply outspoken....

We must have different meanings for the word outspoken. I stand by despicable...

Somebodysson

<Ajatsstru wrote:  All the Fischer worshipers here need to read a bit about him before exposing their ignorance about his character.>

Here's what Anatoly Karpov said about his character:

"I was struck by his gaze. He was not at all the way he looked in photographs. I didn't see any severity in him, but rather a sort of gentleness and patience"

"I believe that Fischer surpassed all the former and currently living grandmasters in the ability to produce and process chess ideas."

"It seems that the reason for his tragic break with the chess world was the excessive demands he placed on himself as world champion. The solution to the stress was obvious-he stopped playing altogether". 

and now the most incisive of Karpov's observations, which is one that anyone who really has done a lot of reading about Fischer would also know, unless they were clouded by blinders on their perception or judgment:

"Fischer's integrity was evident in any one of his actions. Even his shortcomings were inseperable from him; they were aspects of his integrity".  http://www.chessquotes.com/player-karpov

waffllemaster
TheGambitKing wrote:

Bobby Fischer will always be misunderstood

TheGambitKing wrote:
he will be talked about decades into the future
TheGambitKing wrote:
Bobby Fischer such a fascinating character. . . uncompromising. . . vastly misunderstood. . . he was right about more things than we currently give him credit for.
TheGambitKing wrote:

great American hero of sport. . . true genius

Hmm, you never said nicest.

Who are the nicest chess players at the top?

Not Bobby Fischer.

Somebodysson
TheGambitKing wrote:

Even as a boy, Bobby was his own man. He knew what he wanted, he felt that he knew what was right, and he made his own decisions. Once convinced of something, his integrity, pride and absolute independence ruled out any compromise. Once he made up his mind there was no changing it. Many often had a go at it; Ethel and I never did. And even when the general consensus was that he was dead wrong, it turned out more often than not that he was right. As the heart has its own reasons, so has genius. -- Jack Collins

thank you. Very nice, and seems consistent what what people who knew him say. There's that 'integrity' again. 

ChastityMoon

People keep trying to frame the Bobby Fischer discussion in ways that could be used to even keep the name of Vlad the Impaler excused from criticism. 

Bobby Fischer was maniacally egotistical and when a discussion is about greatness as human beings, there is never room for people whose lives focused on hate, with chess an aside - or was it the other way around?

SimonMTL

In my opinion: For sure Fischer began (as a kid and a young man) with intense love, passion and devotion to chess. he wanted to advance the game and become Champion. the other crap crept in over time and eventually took over. I think winning the World Championship had been such a strong motivator for him that when he finally won it, he a) wanted to keep it forever and b) didn't really know what to do anymore. That's when the demons and insecurities and other crap inside him became his main thoughts, taking over some of "space" chess took up in the forefront of his mind. Obviously, his issues shown through for a long time before becoming Champion but the fire he had for chess kept them relatively at bay, kinda like creatures in the night. when the fire dimmed... in they came.

ozzie_c_cobblepot
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pelly13 wrote:
TheGambitKing schreef:

Botvinnik was a tee-totaller and vegetarian, so I can bet that he and Tal weren't the best of chums...

But still , Tal wrote a nice (and friendly) book about their match.

I remember reading an interview with Tal's first wife where she said that Tal was seething when Botvinnik refused to allow him to postpone their WC rematch for health reasons. You can bet that Botvinnik wasn't on Tal's Christmas card list.

Tal was Jewish.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Oh, and I loved the story about Judit Polgar and the autographed book.

soothsayer8

Can't we all just agree that Fischer was a phenomenal chess player but not exactly an exemplary human being? There's been like four pages of this. Not even Bobby himself would believe he belonged in this discussion. He has his own virtues, but he never tried to be known as "nice".

DarknisMetalDragon

In the Complete Idiot's Guide to Chess, Wolff compares Smyslov to Botvinnik. He said that Smyslov seemed to enjoy life a lot more than Botvinnik.

Somebodysson
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Tal was Jewish.

so was Botvinnik. 

DarknisMetalDragon
idreesarif wrote:

nobody mentioned me ....

You're not at the top, that's why. Don't worry though, I'm on the low bottom. You're in the high bottom.

DarknisMetalDragon
idreesarif wrote:
DarknisMetalDragon wrote:
idreesarif wrote:

nobody mentioned me ....

You're not at the top, that's why.

Oh thank God .... so no doubts about my niceeness :)))

Don't have any doubts.

pelly13

Completely off-topic , but I have to say it.

Suppose OP's topic would be : "Who was the nicest world-champion so far ?", then the selection of candidates would be smaller right ?.

Next , suppose you were ask to rate another quality of a player in this small group. Then you will come to a very interesting conclusion : The players with this quality seem to be in the vast majority.

SmyslovFan

Based on how their peers reacted to them, the two nicest world champions were Max Euwe and Vishy Anand. Max Euwe became one of the most respected presidents of FIDE. When Anand played Topalov, almost every elite player (for example, Kramnik, Carlsen, Kasparov) helped Anand to prepare. This was a rare case of the most liked candidate facing the most reviled candidate in recent memory.

Kramnik, Tal, and Smyslov deserve honourable mentions.

heinzie

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