Who else with Average IQ sucks at Chess ( lol ) ?

I would think that just like anything a good mixture of talent and work never hurt. 

However, I think it is important to realize, no matter how talented you are at darts you will never be a World Champion or Strong competitor if you do not practice. Of course, the opposite is true, but I find it a little insulting to those who take darts very seriously (I am not one of them just standing up for them!) to ask how much practice it takes to be good at darts? Until you can methodically hit any area you are aiming for with 100% accuracy, I would gather that the answer is you need to keep practicing forever (similiar to chess :D).

Thanks for the post NM Zkman. Yes it is possible that I was not taking Darts very seriously, as I said there are even Rock-Paper-Scissors competitions ( we each want our 15 minutes of fame I guess  lol ). However we must not forget Monopoly competitions as well as for Yo-Yos, Air-Guitar etc etc. There seems to be no end to the types of talent competitions that people are able to come up with.  

I guess I see you point... However, i know many people who would say the same about chess. I don't share this opinion of trivializing the accomplishment and hardwork of others no matter insignificant their accomplishments are in your opinion.

I mean chess is just a board game after all :D

the difference is the amount of work, skill, and transferrible talent. something like rock paper scissors is almost all luck and does not better the person in anyway, so it is hard to put that on the same level as most other compititions. we can not be relative and say they are all equal or then we diminish what we ourselves do. there is objective truth that says somethings are a waste of time and other things are not, and using wisdom we can conclude which or which.

Thanks for the recent posts.

Some Experts tell us that each one of us has some type of talent and/or ability that we are good at. But then how do we find this talent and/or ability ? If a person is rather tall and also quite athletic we might assume that they have some talent in the area of Basketball. But what of the Billions of other people on the planet ? How does a person know if they could be a Champion hog-caller ( or even very good at frozen-cow-pie throwing ? ). One of those very difficult to solve mysteries of life I would assume.

One thing that I've mentioned in some of my threads here is that Youtube is quite a fun area to explore. One of the interesting items that one can view over there is the 1971 visit by Bobby Fischer on the Dick Cavett Show ( and yes they do talk about Chess ). Early in the interview Cavett asks Fischer why the Russians dominate Chess ( back in the days of the USSR ) and the fact the government over there subsidized their players is mentioned. Fischer adds that there were a lot of good players in the US too but many lose interest ( due to lack of incentives ). A number of threads in these forums have asked the question of making a living by playing Chess but since that is not easy a number of good players have left the game over the years.      

Someone just recently brought back a 9 month old thread covering the subject " Chess for a Living ". Over in that thread it was mentioned that Chess needs a star like Tiger Woods in Golf get people's attention. Well those of us who have been around for a while remember that a lot of people thought that Fischer was going to be that guy ( back about 40 years ago ). Well when one thinks of things that might have been, but of course we do have Carlsen now.  

Rubinstein started to play chess when he was 16 and Tartakower when he was in his twenties

Hi. Up until recently my IQ was very high. My chess game was ok. I had a stroke in January of last year and trying to play chess again to get my brain motivated. I'm finding it hard on both counts. I do fool though that having a high IQ has nothing to do with playing good chess. Play, learn and read all about this grat game and you will become a better player.

Don't expect to be a world beater just work at it and enjoy it.

Chasbad118

i dont believe in iq. but its obvious that success has to do with determinism and you obviously have to be really determined to become good in chess

A lot of people are convinced I'm a complete idiot. I must admit I really could use some extra I.Q. points. I'm not Einstein that's for sure but I think I'm not Forest Gump either. I'm good at foreign languages, started playing chess couple of years ago and I think I don't suck at all. From time to time I manage to beat some really smart people. Sadly I have a problem with some reversed logics issues. My logical resoning is quite opposite than most of the people I know so I'm frequently getting laughed at. But I don't care anymore. Here on Earth I'm just a resonably stupid guy, but hey, maybe on Mars tomorrow I'll be a genius...cheers!

yeah im a stupid guy too. one day i hopefully can prove my theory that chess and stock broking need the same set of skills.

Thanks for all of the new posts.

The IQ question is one that has come up quite often in the forums on this site. My own feeling is that these tests tend to favour people who have the ability to memorize a lot of things. But then how does one discover artistic talent, musical talent or talent in sports ? The IQ tests would seem to be designed mainly to " funnel " certain people towards the Academic world ( to the Universities and beyond ). 

Stupid is as stupid does.  Read about it online.  Everyday, if you so choose.

But this thread has staying power, methinks.

And haven't you noticed how just about any thread in which you post is quickly back on the "Hot Topics" list?

Neat Trick.  To pump up the conversations, apparently.

Big Brother is still watching, and waiting.  

Thanks for the new posts Zborg. I'm way behind some of the people here who have threads that have gone beyond 1,000 posts ( some are beyond 2,000 or even 5,000 posts ). I'm just doing my little part to keep these forums interesting.

PS: Thanks also for the very nice post that you left on page 1 of this thread.  

On the Previous page I mentioned Bobby Fischer and I guess one question that bothers a lot of people is whether he would have defended his title against Karpov if the FIDE had met all of his demands. Of course later the FIDE would give in to the similar demands of Karpov ( more behind the scenes political pressure perhaps ? ).    

Speaking of Chess Players that earned titles at an early age Wei Yi of China has earned the GM title and is now the youngest person to have done so ( he is 13 ). Presumably he would not have learned that much about Chess before age 6 or 7, so how was he able to progress so far in about 1/2 dozen years ? ( high IQ or raw talent in his case ? ).  

A PS note Re GM Wei Yi. His Elo rating is now 2501, I gather that he needed to reach 2500 to obtain his title ( along with his two previous GM norms ).  

I am working on a Phd in philosophy. I'd say that puts me at least at average wit. And by average I am implying that I feel almost  half the people on earth are less intelligent than I am, and half are smarter.

I am thoroughly horrible at chess. Just look at my games.

edit: decided to leave out my rant about people claiming to be above average while stating they are bad at chess.