who invented the chess and when?

Great post, HGMuller.

Who invented THE chess...

so funny

That made no sense the either time.

True that! True that!

Fiveofswords wrote:

AKAL1 wrote:

"If you're good at math, find with proof all the perfect powers that differ by one."

I'm compiling a list of non-Eruropean mathematicians with trolly comments about each one, give me time. What I will say is that Fiveofswords's argument seems to be that discoveries by European mathematicians were more important than those by non-Europeans, to which I ask him how he defines "importance" in mathematics

oh please dont be such a liar. you know what important means and you know europeans did almost all the important work in a wide diversity of human endeavors including mathematics

Clearly I don't know what important means because I'm disagreeing with you on this topic.

If we define important by how many results came because of a certain thing, then of course non-European mathematics was more important.

My dictionary defines importance as "having great value." What is value in mathematics? I would have to say it's what comes of a certain discovery.

HGMuller's post as I read it was basically about how you conclude "Chess, like everything important in life, was imade by Europeans" from "Europeans changed how the bishop moved"

:-D

because that's where my interest lies.

Where is the table? In the US?

I don't consider shogi chess, though others might. It may be chess-like or even have a common ancestor, but it's not chess.  However, the game played in 13th century Spain was chess and still is chess.

You might say that when the queen and bishop moves, along with en passant were established as we use them today, then we had chess... except other rules, such as castling, weren't established and remained as such even into the last quarter of the 19th century... so nothing until 1881 was chess?  Or is chess only chess when you say it's chess? 
Murray implied the encompassment of the word when he referred to the evolved game as "reformed chess."  The currier game is chess, though not as we might play it. The rules and moves evolved and what we play is the result of that evolution, but that certainly doesn't mean chess didn't exsist until the apex of that evolution (which is still in potential flux - as the 50 move rule can attest).

Not subscribing to your viewpoint doesn't make anyone stupid or lying.

The ether?

Neither?

Senseless, indeed! Methinks that FoS got into the ether and it cooked some synapses.

Subscribing to his viewpoint, OTOH ...

Let's compile a list of these poor fools. We can sell them mountain cabins in Florida, beachfront property in Mongolia, ...

I agree, the game of chess developed in Europe, though the game that developed was a direct spin-off from the muslim game, actually an adaptation, which came from the east.  If I knew how to play old chess, I would probably have little difficulty playing Shatranj. 

You can define chess in narrow, specific and practical terms, but that doesn't negate someone else's broader conception of the game. Even once those particular aforementioned rules were firmly established at the beginning of the 15th century (when we almost never see the old chess in manuscripts or books anymore), chess was played quite different by regions... but everyone was playing chess regardless of the differences.

Africans didn't invent sailing ships at all, let alone a rudder. Actually they invented very little, not even the Six Simple Machines. 

Egypt is in Africa. They sailed in boats with rudders of their own design. They also floated large barge-like craft that moved the stones of the pyramids and huge obilisks.

Regards,

Lou

Whatever did they call the game before the virile bishop replaced the elephant (slon)?

Keebler Elves invented teh chess in 1492, they left the rules in a hollow tree trunk under the light of a full moon. 

I don't know. Nobody knows where chess comes from, but there are two origins from other games. First, Chaturanga, from Persia. The myth could also be based on this as it's different pieces on the same board. the other is Xiangqi, from China, still being played, which is quite different but might come from the first Chess-like game. 

Fiveofswords, what did the Europeans base their discoveries on?

Your method is correct but it's tedious and not very strong. It works OK with the integers (whole numbers) but crumbles at the sniff of unknown constants when factoristion is required and then what do you do? Learn to "complete the square" and you can factorise any quadratic (polynomial of order 2).

Since you seem excited about imaginary numbers (I use j not i due to engineering) I'll give you a reality check:

j = sqrt <-1>, is wrong by definition.

j^2 = -1, is correct by definition.

Why is this? Because to the unknown "something" squared equates to "minus". That's a big WOW!

You know that word actually means "slow", as in how long it takes you to comprehend that the worst posters in this thread contribute more of value than you do. You're a little quick to call others "retard", "moron", or "idiot"--all terms that were very popular with the pseudo-intellectuals at Cold Spring Harbor who advocated legislation grounded in the racial attitudes that you are spewing here.