Who's Better?: Bobby Fischer, Garry Kasparov, or Magnus Carlsen - Chess Forums - Page 28

taseredbirdinstinct

Mar 20, 2023

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#541

njzuraw13 wrote:

warlard69420 wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

Alekhine never dodged Capablanca.

Yeah I realized I mixed Marshall and Alex, I'm just too lazy to delete it

Quit pretending that you know what you're talking about, kid.

Marshall, not Alekhine, oops, was famous for dodging Capa for years and playing sub-par WCC challengers. It's a really fascinating part of chess history, you should look into it!

(The again, every part of chess history is fascinating)

Marshall put up a really good fight against Capablanca, he took what Chigorin had used, analysed it and then it became the Marshall attack of the Ruy Lopez.

njzuraw13

Mar 20, 2023

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#542

taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

warlard69420 wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

Alekhine never dodged Capablanca.

Yeah I realized I mixed Marshall and Alex, I'm just too lazy to delete it

Quit pretending that you know what you're talking about, kid.

Marshall, not Alekhine, oops, was famous for dodging Capa for years and playing sub-par WCC challengers. It's a really fascinating part of chess history, you should look into it!

(The again, every part of chess history is fascinating)

Marshall put up a really good fight against Capablanca, he took what Chigorin had used, analysed it and then it became the Marshall attack of the Ruy Lopez.

The Marshall is one of my favorite openings, just not the way Marshall played it (He got to his desired position against Capa and immediately played a sub-par move despite having months, or years, and bragging about using said time, to analyze that position)

SmyslovFan

Mar 20, 2023

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#543

lfPatriotGames wrote:

thecatlover99 wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

hellodebake wrote:

Fischer has been dead since 2008!

That's what I heard. So it's weird the op would include him when comparing people to ask who is the best right now. Since Fischer is currently dead, I think we can safely rule him out as a contender.

That's not the question, the question is: if they could play each other who do you think would when, and the answer is obviously magnus Carlsen

Oh. I misread the title of the topic then. I thought it says ""who's better? bobby fischer- garry kasparov-or- magnus clarsen". Not who was better. Not if they played each other. "whos" is a contraction of who is. So the answer is currently Carlsen. If the question is who WAS better then it could be one of the other two. My opinion it was Fischer.

Pedantry on social media is extremely common. The title does say “who’s” better, but the topic is clearly about who was better when they were in their prime.

taseredbirdinstinct

Mar 20, 2023

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#544

SmyslovFan wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

thecatlover99 wrote:

lfPatriotGames wrote:

hellodebake wrote:

Fischer has been dead since 2008!

That's what I heard. So it's weird the op would include him when comparing people to ask who is the best right now. Since Fischer is currently dead, I think we can safely rule him out as a contender.

That's not the question, the question is: if they could play each other who do you think would when, and the answer is obviously magnus Carlsen

Oh. I misread the title of the topic then. I thought it says ""who's better? bobby fischer- garry kasparov-or- magnus clarsen". Not who was better. Not if they played each other. "whos" is a contraction of who is. So the answer is currently Carlsen. If the question is who WAS better then it could be one of the other two. My opinion it was Fischer.

Pedantry on social media is extremely common. The title does say “who’s” better, but the topic is clearly about who was better when they were in their prime.

I would hardly call this "social media".

OliveriBulgari

Mar 20, 2023

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#545

I think this paper can be of interest to some of you:

Alliot, Jean-Marc. ‘Who Is the Master?’. ICGA Journal, vol. 39, no. 1, pp. 3-43, 2017

Roland1911

May 1, 2023

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#546

"Who's" is either "Who is" or "Who has" it is NOT "Who was"

orrin14

Jun 3, 2023

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#547

exceptionalfork wrote:

I don't know between Carlsen and Kasparov, I think it's very close.

Definitely not Fischer, though.

YEAH RIGHT!

exceptionalfork

Jun 3, 2023

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#548

orrin14 wrote:

exceptionalfork wrote:

I don't know between Carlsen and Kasparov, I think it's very close.

Definitely not Fischer, though.

YEAH RIGHT!

Well, why Fischer? Kasparov was top in the world for, like, 20 years. Magnus is still the best in the world currently (doesn't matter that he's not the World Champion), and he has been for ten years. He still seems to be a good bit better than everyone else at the current time. Yes, I've heard people say Fischer was really dominant in his short time of being the best before quitting for 20 years (and then coming back trying to claim he was still the rightful World Champion), but I just don't value that as much.

Also (not that this is the reason I don't think he's as good as Carlsen and Kasparov), I completely disagree with his "best by test: 1.e4" quote. 1.d4 is just as good, and it's really just a matter of preference in my opinion.

Rafi_Prana

Jun 3, 2023

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#549

I think Magnus

fabelhaft

Jun 3, 2023

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#550

njzuraw13 wrote:

warlard69420 wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

Alekhine never dodged Capablanca.

Yeah I realized I mixed Marshall and Alex, I'm just too lazy to delete it

Quit pretending that you know what you're talking about, kid.

Marshall, not Alekhine, oops, was famous for dodging Capa for years and playing sub-par WCC challengers. It's a really fascinating part of chess history, you should look into it!

(The again, every part of chess history is fascinating)

I think you mean Lasker when you write Marshall…

njzuraw13

Jun 4, 2023

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#551

fabelhaft wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

warlard69420 wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

njzuraw13 wrote:

taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

Yet we still need to discuss alekhine.

Alekhine was decent, he just dodged Capablanca

Alekhine never dodged Capablanca.

Yeah I realized I mixed Marshall and Alex, I'm just too lazy to delete it

Quit pretending that you know what you're talking about, kid.

Marshall, not Alekhine, oops, was famous for dodging Capa for years and playing sub-par WCC challengers. It's a really fascinating part of chess history, you should look into it!

(The again, every part of chess history is fascinating)

I think you mean Lasker when you write Marshall…

No, looking back, I was right the first time; Alekhine played Bogoljubov instead of Capa, so yeah, Alekhine ducked Capa.

vampyreo2

Jun 5, 2023

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#552

E

AbyssGnasher

Jun 7, 2023

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#553

Magnus is the best now but technically Bobby is the best

minions_queen3

Jun 7, 2023

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#554

Garry Kasparov for me.

Enchauchau

Jun 8, 2023

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#555

I would say Magnus Carlsen. One thing I notice about him is that, even in the age of computers and advanced technology available to all other grandmasters, he still is obviously head and shoulders above all other competition.

DrSpudnik

Jun 9, 2023

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#556

Enchauchau wrote:

I would say Magnus Carlsen. One thing I notice about him is that, even in the age of computers and advanced technology available to all other grandmasters, he still is obviously head and shoulders above all other competition.

Opened an account long enough to share this bit of wisdom.

We are all in awe of this achievement!

SliverWoIf

Jun 10, 2023

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#557

All equal, they trained at different times and had different resources

SmyslovFan

Jun 13, 2023

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#558

Sliver-Wolf wrote:

All equal, they trained at different times and had different resources

Yep, everyone is special. And when everyone is special, nobody is special.

To say that everyone trained at different times and had different resources is not to admit that they were all equal. If, despite all the resources at Magnus' beck and call, he is only equal to someone from 50 years ago, that would mean he's pretty weak.
Just the opposite has happened. Magnus is clearly the best player in history, and we know that in part by analyzing the games and in part by looking at the ratings, which have been *deflated* over time.
The reasons for Magnus' domination can be discussed, but to say that Fischer or anyone else from the 1970s is equal to Magnus is to denigrate his amazing accomplishments. What Fischer did in his own time may never be duplicated, but the same is also true for Karpov, Kasparov, and Carlsen.
We can still compare the relative quality of their play though.

MistNinja467

Jun 13, 2023

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#559

Garry Kasparov all the way

Jenium

Jun 13, 2023

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#560

1. Bobby, 2. Magnus.