Why are chess puzzles so frequently incorrect? - Chess Forums - Page 2

Strangemover

Jan 7, 2021

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#21

Giving check all the way to mate.

DiogenesDue

Jan 7, 2021

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#22

Djard007 wrote:

When people cannot attack the argument they attack the person. Be nice!

Black queen to h1+ only delays the imminent Qg7# by one move, if rook on b2 is not moved to b7...the only good move for black. Remember that it is black's move, which faces certain checkmate in the next move. In the game, if my critics here plied the back queen on c6 to deliver a check on h1 to my king, I would immediately capture his queen with impunity then mate him freely in the next move. If this explanation is not clear, I encourage you to set up the pieces on a physical board and play the moves.

Black queen on h1 becomes a hanging piece. Why would you not use the white king to capture the black queen if it were moved to h1?

PS. I won the first game against the Indonesian master because the unorthodox approach I used surprised him (and me!). He cleaned me up in the second game. By then he had my number. I declined his enthusiastic request for a third game, realizing he was a much stronger player. We both had a good laugh.

Not buying.

Have you ever actually played a master repeatedly? I have. I played a 2206 newly minted NM master for hours on end in casual games (in 1986). I lost every single game . The best I could get out of him was "hmmm, novelty" in one game. This was someone rated about 500-600 points higher than I at the time. The chess champion of Indonesia would be *at least* an IM...are you Class A or Expert? Then you would suffer the same.

Casual players do not "surprise" national champions. You didn't have a good laugh about it. He was a fraud, or you are. Given this:

Psychophysiologist, Bible translator and flamenco music composer.

...I'm guessing it's you .

CM JamesColeman

Jan 7, 2021

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#23

You can just use the analysis thing if you’re not sure. As was mentioned early on in the thread, more than 99% of the puzzles are watertight in terms of the solution. Whenever my idea turns out to be wrong, I always start by assuming it’s me that’s wrong and not the solution. Invariably, that’s the case.

MARattigan

Jan 7, 2021

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#24

Djard007 wrote:

Why would black rook to b7 be incorrect?

You're meant to mate. Where would you go from here?

Moonwarrior_1

Jan 7, 2021

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#25

Deranged wrote:

I solve a lot of puzzles and I'd say about 99% of the solutions are correct.

Though occassally I'll have to choose between 2 moves: one which gives my position a +5 advantage and one which leads to forced mate. I'll choose the former and it will be marked as wrong, which I think is unfair.

+1

JackRoach

Jan 7, 2021

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#26

Djard007 wrote:

When people cannot attack the argument they attack the person. Be nice!

Black queen to h1+ only delays the imminent Qg7# by one move, if rook on b2 is not moved to b7...the only good move for black. Remember that it is black's move, which faces certain checkmate in the next move. In the game, if my critics here plied the back queen on c6 to deliver a check on h1 to my king, I would immediately capture his queen with impunity then mate him freely in the next move. If this explanation is not clear, I encourage you to set up the pieces on a physical board and play the moves.

Black queen on h1 becomes a hanging piece. Why would you not use the white king to capture the black queen if it were moved to h1?

PS. I won the first game against the Indonesian master because the unorthodox approach I used surprised him (and me!). He cleaned me up in the second game. By then he had my number. I declined his enthusiastic request for a third game, realizing he was a much stronger player. We both had a good laugh.

Maybe put this under analysis? Also, I saw the puzzle and it stumped me too, (didn't try really hard tbh) but I didn't say it was "wrong," because it made sense to me. Yes it delays checkmate by one move I guess in a way, but when the next move from white is check, check, and forcing moves with checkmate soon, then it is irrelevent that black is threatening checkmate, when white can checkmate.

Also what you said about attacking the person and not the arguement?

1: You claim the puzzle is wrong when we prove YOU wrong, and claim the have beat the Indonesian champion, when you yourself have played 0 games.

2: we already proved you wrong, but you won't accept our help.

LeeEuler

Jan 7, 2021

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#27

Simply has to be a troll

Steven-ODonoghue

Jan 7, 2021

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#28

Djard007 wrote:

Maybe we sould play a game to see how well your solution to chess puzzles serves in actual play of the game.

I am up for that. How does $1000 a game sound?

Strangemover

Jan 7, 2021

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#29

Steven-ODonoghue wrote:

Djard007 wrote:

Maybe we sould play a game to see how well your solution to chess puzzles serves in actual play of the game.

I am up for that. How does $1000 a game sound?

Tell him you are the national champion of Australia 👍

Strangemover

Jan 7, 2021

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#30

The strongest Indonesian player by FIDE ranking is the fabulously named Susanto Megaranto, a 2550 GM.

Steven-ODonoghue

Jan 7, 2021

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#31

Yep. There are 3 active GMs and over a dozen IMs. So the national champion was almost certainly at least IM strength when the OP played him. You do not "surprise" an IM unless you are at least 2000 OTB, and even then it probably only happens once even 50 games.

Maybe the OP would like to tell us what he did to surprise the Indonesian champion. For instance, what opening was the game?

tacticspotter

Jan 7, 2021

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#32

Why are we even “ falling” for this troll post

tacticspotter

Jan 7, 2021

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#33

There is NO WAY he can’t see all of these arguements(unless he is too lazy to read them)

LetsPlay226

Jan 8, 2021

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#34

@tacticspptter no troll he is just too ego to accept he is wrong

LetsPlay226

Jan 8, 2021

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#35

you forget that puzzles designed to create dificulties of tactical positions

tacticspotter

Jan 8, 2021

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#36

LetsPlay226 写道:

@tacticspptter no troll he is just too ego to accept he is wrong

How can you tell he is not trolling?

ok maybe he is just dumb

Rocky64

Jan 8, 2021

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#37

Anyone who thinks the OP is a troll probably doesn't visit the Daily Puzzle threads much. Some time ago they would regularly use pretty advanced studies with counter-intuitive solutions. While many newbies would sensibly ask for an explanation of a solution they don't get, there are also plenty whose reactions are things like "stupid puzzle" and "nonsense". Quite often people would insist their answers are "better" than the official solutions. Classic cases of the Dunning-Kruger effect!

drmrboss

Jan 8, 2021

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#38

Djard007 wrote:

PS. I won the first game against the Indonesian master because the unorthodox approach I used surprised him (and me!).

tacticspotter

Jan 8, 2021

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#39

Rocky64 写道:

Anyone who thinks the OP is a troll probably doesn't visit the Daily Puzzle threads much. Some time ago they would regularly use pretty advanced studies with counter-intuitive solutions. While many newbies would sensibly ask for an explanation of a solution they don't get, there are also plenty whose reactions are things like "stupid puzzle" and "nonsense". Quite often people would insist their answers are "better" than the official solutions. Classic cases of the Dunning-Kruger effect!

I am talking about the fact that he avoids questions,doesn’t read our messages,then just ignores everything we say

normally a noob would look at the comment to learn right?but he said he draw the chess champion of indonesia and then just ignore all the post that said IT IS CHECKMATE and then just continue to say that blocking the threat is the right move

doesn’t this sound like troll to you?

VIProfessor

Jan 8, 2021

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#40

I don't think he's a troll. From the looks of his profile, he's just an enthusiastic newcomer to the game, probably as a result of watching "The Queen's Gambit." He's attempted five puzzles, and the ones he failed are of such a blindingly obvious nature that it's clear he just doesn't see much on the board yet. With time, effort (and yes, a little humility) he'll probably be fine.

With the pandemic and Netflix-generated explosion of interest in chess, there are going to be a lot of new members who don't realize how much they don't know. Let's be patient with them. The future growth of chess lies in these newbies!