As a female chess player that is also in a younger demographic, there aren't many female chess players to represent the community. Therefore, it does make you feel out of sort in many ways as well as unaccepted. It's a bit discouraging in many ways which is why I choose not to talk about my gender online whilst playing chess even though I am in no way an advanced player. I don't really agree with the rating system of having women FIDE masters since this makes it seem like they are incapable of the levels that men can get to. Yet, it's because of how few women actually do play chess. I haven't done much research into this topic, but that's just what I personally believe and feel free to respond!
Why are there so little female chess players?
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Feb 12, 2021
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brianchesscake wrote:
batgirl wrote:
If anything it has more to do with environment (see Polgars), societal conditions, and personal situations.
Using the Polgar sisters as an example is a bit misleading because their father, much like the father of the Williams sisters, specially trained the daughters from a young age to excel at an activity.
Actually, that's precisely the point. The environment was the sine qua non.
Feb 12, 2021
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#144
batgirl wrote:
brianchesscake wrote:
batgirl wrote:
If anything it has more to do with environment (see Polgars), societal conditions, and personal situations.
Using the Polgar sisters as an example is a bit misleading because their father, much like the father of the Williams sisters, specially trained the daughters from a young age to excel at an activity.
Actually, that's precisely the point. The environment was the sine qua non.
Necessary but not sufficient. The most talented sister, Sofia, never got the GM title because genetically she wasn't interested in that stuff. She quit and became an artist.
Her less talented sister, Judit, became #7 in the world 🤔
ldunn84 wrote:
As a female chess player that is also in a younger demographic, there aren't many female chess players to represent the community. Therefore, it does make you feel out of sort in many ways as well as unaccepted. It's a bit discouraging in many ways which is why I choose not to talk about my gender online whilst playing chess even though I am in no way an advanced player. I don't really agree with the rating system of having women FIDE masters since this makes it seem like they are incapable of the levels that men can get to. Yet, it's because of how few women actually do play chess. I haven't done much research into this topic, but that's just what I personally believe and feel free to respond!
where the female champions then?
There's million of females playing chess now a days, they still can't compete with the men. ya'll need to stop shouting and actually prove women can perform equally as good on the board, not on a chess.com forum post.
U can't use the argument that "women are marginalised in chess" anymore, that excuse don't stick. No one cares, so either women still can't compete cuz there is a biological difference that we aren't ready to accept, or they just somehow never serious 100% of the time while playing.
Feb 12, 2021
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#146
kartikeya_tiwari wrote:
batgirl wrote:
Everyone is an individual. some men like games such as chess, some don't. Some women do, some don't. But whether they do or don't, it's all for their individual reasons. It has nothing to do with hunting/gathering, brain weight, or any innate preconditioning or genetic difference. If anything it has more to do with environment (see Polgars), societal conditions, and personal situations.
Again, if you were aware of psychology you would know that this nature-nurture debate is going on for a long time.
Well, golly gee, who would have ever thought.
batgirl wrote:
Not all female players are little.
Cool, batgirl commented on my forum
Feb 12, 2021
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#148
Soniasthetics wrote:
ldunn84 wrote:
As a female chess player that is also in a younger demographic, there aren't many female chess players to represent the community. Therefore, it does make you feel out of sort in many ways as well as unaccepted. It's a bit discouraging in many ways which is why I choose not to talk about my gender online whilst playing chess even though I am in no way an advanced player. I don't really agree with the rating system of having women FIDE masters since this makes it seem like they are incapable of the levels that men can get to. Yet, it's because of how few women actually do play chess. I haven't done much research into this topic, but that's just what I personally believe and feel free to respond!
where the female champions then?
There's million of females playing chess now a days, they still can't compete with the men. ya'll need to stop shouting and actually prove women can perform equally as good on the board, not on a chess.com forum post.
U can't use the argument that "women are marginalised in chess" anymore, that excuse don't stick. No one cares, so either women still can't compete cuz there is a biological difference that we aren't ready to accept, or they just somehow never serious 100% of the time while playing.
What do you mean "where are the female champions" ?
There are female GMs.
If you mean literal world champion, that's not how rarity works. If you want something with a rarity of six sigma, you're going to need a population of a few hundred million.
But I agree the "society is repressing us" stuff is BS. On average women simply aren't as interested as men in chess... so they don't choose it. That doesn't mean females are dumb or shallow, it just means they're not interested.
Feb 12, 2021
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#149
That's another important effect too. The pool of women chess players is much smaller, and that makes it harder to get the statistical numbers to get outstanding performance at the tails.
The tech field has the same issue too. Nothing prevents women from entering tech - just far less women than men opt for it.
I never expected to create such a good discussion about this lol. Kinda proud because everyone has been pretty civil and barely rude.
Soniasthetics wrote:
ldunn84 wrote:
As a female chess player that is also in a younger demographic, there aren't many female chess players to represent the community. Therefore, it does make you feel out of sort in many ways as well as unaccepted. It's a bit discouraging in many ways which is why I choose not to talk about my gender online whilst playing chess even though I am in no way an advanced player. I don't really agree with the rating system of having women FIDE masters since this makes it seem like they are incapable of the levels that men can get to. Yet, it's because of how few women actually do play chess. I haven't done much research into this topic, but that's just what I personally believe and feel free to respond!
where the female champions then?
There's million of females playing chess now a days, they still can't compete with the men. ya'll need to stop shouting and actually prove women can perform equally as good on the board, not on a chess.com forum post.
U can't use the argument that "women are marginalised in chess" anymore, that excuse don't stick. No one cares, so either women still can't compete cuz there is a biological difference that we aren't ready to accept, or they just somehow never serious 100% of the time while playing.
Jeez ok I didn't expect anyone to respond to my post but here we go. I'm simply stating that women are clearly oppressed in chess and even you are a case of that point. It seems as if you are immediately seen as worse due to your gender. Now, is this an excuse- no. But, I'm just saying this is most likely why there are fewer women in the game. Ok, now to speak on the fact that you suggest there are biological differences in men and women regarding their chess playing abilities. You can look at IQ levels. Men's IQ's show that although there are more "geniuses" that are men there are also more men that are on the lower spectrum compared to women. Women are closer to the average where as men are more spread apart. So speaking off of this, there are most likely going to be more male GM but, in terms of not genius level players women should have an equal playing field. That's my argument anyways. Also, seeing your profile, you seem to be a women chess player as well. I would have hoped that you would acknowledge that there is obviously oppression in the women's chess community and it's quite sad to see. I am not just ranting about this on a chess.com forum post, I'm just here to shine light on the issue.
llama47 wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:
ldunn84 wrote:
As a female chess player that is also in a younger demographic, there aren't many female chess players to represent the community. Therefore, it does make you feel out of sort in many ways as well as unaccepted. It's a bit discouraging in many ways which is why I choose not to talk about my gender online whilst playing chess even though I am in no way an advanced player. I don't really agree with the rating system of having women FIDE masters since this makes it seem like they are incapable of the levels that men can get to. Yet, it's because of how few women actually do play chess. I haven't done much research into this topic, but that's just what I personally believe and feel free to respond!
where the female champions then?
There's million of females playing chess now a days, they still can't compete with the men. ya'll need to stop shouting and actually prove women can perform equally as good on the board, not on a chess.com forum post.
U can't use the argument that "women are marginalised in chess" anymore, that excuse don't stick. No one cares, so either women still can't compete cuz there is a biological difference that we aren't ready to accept, or they just somehow never serious 100% of the time while playing.
What do you mean "where are the female champions" ?
There are female GMs.
If you mean literal world champion, that's not how rarity works. If you want something with a rarity of six sigma, you're going to need a population of a few hundred million.
But I agree the "society is repressing us" stuff is BS. On average women simply aren't as interested as men in chess... so they don't choose it. That doesn't mean females are dumb or shallow, it just means they're not interested.
Of course there are female GM! And I'm so happy there are. I'm just saying (obviously) that there aren't as many. Hopefully there will be more representation and that this forum post will shine more light on the issue.
Magnus-GOAT wrote:
ldunn84 hat geschrieben:
As a female chess player that is also in a younger demographic, there aren't many female chess players to represent the community. Therefore, it does make you feel out of sort in many ways as well as unaccepted. It's a bit discouraging in many ways which is why I choose not to talk about my gender online whilst playing chess even though I am in no way an advanced player. I don't really agree with the rating system of having women FIDE masters since this makes it seem like they are incapable of the levels that men can get to. Yet, it's because of how few women actually do play chess. I haven't done much research into this topic, but that's just what I personally believe and feel free to respond!
Absolute 100% correct !
thank you! 
llama47 wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:
ldunn84 wrote:
As a female chess player that is also in a younger demographic, there aren't many female chess players to represent the community. Therefore, it does make you feel out of sort in many ways as well as unaccepted. It's a bit discouraging in many ways which is why I choose not to talk about my gender online whilst playing chess even though I am in no way an advanced player. I don't really agree with the rating system of having women FIDE masters since this makes it seem like they are incapable of the levels that men can get to. Yet, it's because of how few women actually do play chess. I haven't done much research into this topic, but that's just what I personally believe and feel free to respond!
where the female champions then?
There's million of females playing chess now a days, they still can't compete with the men. ya'll need to stop shouting and actually prove women can perform equally as good on the board, not on a chess.com forum post.
U can't use the argument that "women are marginalised in chess" anymore, that excuse don't stick. No one cares, so either women still can't compete cuz there is a biological difference that we aren't ready to accept, or they just somehow never serious 100% of the time while playing.
What do you mean "where are the female champions" ?
There are female GMs.
If you mean literal world champion, that's not how rarity works. If you want something with a rarity of six sigma, you're going to need a population of a few hundred million.
But I agree the "society is repressing us" stuff is BS. On average women simply aren't as interested as men in chess... so they don't choose it. That doesn't mean females are dumb or shallow, it just means they're not interested.
thats my point. Women aren't as interested in chess, and when they are playing, they don't perform anywhere near as good as men, because men and women are biologically different. there are things men perform better at, and vice versa.
The point being made with the female champion is that there are so many women that play chess now, surely even 1 of them would of been able to "challenge" Carlsen by now, yet none of them exist.
ldunn84 wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:
ldunn84 wrote:
As a female chess player that is also in a younger demographic, there aren't many female chess players to represent the community. Therefore, it does make you feel out of sort in many ways as well as unaccepted. It's a bit discouraging in many ways which is why I choose not to talk about my gender online whilst playing chess even though I am in no way an advanced player. I don't really agree with the rating system of having women FIDE masters since this makes it seem like they are incapable of the levels that men can get to. Yet, it's because of how few women actually do play chess. I haven't done much research into this topic, but that's just what I personally believe and feel free to respond!
where the female champions then?
There's million of females playing chess now a days, they still can't compete with the men. ya'll need to stop shouting and actually prove women can perform equally as good on the board, not on a chess.com forum post.
U can't use the argument that "women are marginalised in chess" anymore, that excuse don't stick. No one cares, so either women still can't compete cuz there is a biological difference that we aren't ready to accept, or they just somehow never serious 100% of the time while playing.
Jeez ok I didn't expect anyone to respond to my post but here we go. I'm simply stating that women are clearly oppressed in chess and even you are a case of that point. It seems as if you are immediately seen as worse due to your gender. Now, is this an excuse- no. But, I'm just saying this is most likely why there are fewer women in the game. Ok, now to speak on the fact that you suggest there are biological differences in men and women regarding their chess playing abilities. You can look at IQ levels. Men's IQ's show that although there are more "geniuses" that are men there are also more men that are on the lower spectrum compared to women. Women are closer to the average where as men are more spread apart. So speaking off of this, there are most likely going to be more male GM but, in terms of not genius level players women should have an equal playing field. That's my argument anyways. Also, seeing your profile, you seem to be a women chess player as well. I would have hoped that you would acknowledge that there is obviously oppression in the women's chess community and it's quite sad to see. I am not just ranting about this on a chess.com forum post, I'm just here to shine light on the issue.
It's precisely because I'm a woman that I'm telling u ur wrong about women being oppressed in chess.
I was in my highschool chess club, I was always out at highschool chess tournaments, and I was never oppressed. no one discouraged me. sure all of the kids in my school that played chess were boys, but that wasn't an issue. It shouldn't be. I shouldn't have to be surrounded by other girls to play chess. None of my teachers said I shouldn't play it, no one at tournaments said i was out of place.
I'm telling u, women aren't oppressed. If anything in todays society, it's men that are oppressed, not women.
lol hey
Feb 12, 2021
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#158
I started teaching both my wife and my neighbor how to play Chess starting in August. He’s late 40’s. Anyway, it’s a tossup as to which one is going to win any given game.
Soniasthetics wrote:
If u don't understand the point then there's no point anyone talking to u. her being in the top 8 doesn't mean anything.
The only reason it would mean anything is u knew deep down in ur soul women just aren't as good at chess as men, therefore her achievement of rank 8 would then be impressive. But if ur looking at the world with the lense of "men and women are equal in chess ability" then rank 8 isn't impressive at all. Why not become the best?
Right now the 8th best player is Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar. I don't see anyone celebrating his career in chess to anywhere near the extant of polgars.
ur hypocrisy is hilarious
Exactly, infact mamedyarov has way more accomplishments than judit in that he has actually fought in the candidates tournament, has broken 2800 rating. His rating of 2826 is the 6th highest ever achieved in the history of chess. He is more accomplished than judit in every way imaginable(not to mention a way stronger player as well).
Yet judit is treated as a legend while people don't talk about mamedyarov. It can only be because people KNOW deep in their hearts that women just aren't as good so they have different standards for men and women. If people truly believed that men and women are the same then judit would have just been one another GM(like hundreds of GMs)
llama47 wrote:
Soniasthetics wrote:
ldunn84 wrote:
As a female chess player that is also in a younger demographic, there aren't many female chess players to represent the community. Therefore, it does make you feel out of sort in many ways as well as unaccepted. It's a bit discouraging in many ways which is why I choose not to talk about my gender online whilst playing chess even though I am in no way an advanced player. I don't really agree with the rating system of having women FIDE masters since this makes it seem like they are incapable of the levels that men can get to. Yet, it's because of how few women actually do play chess. I haven't done much research into this topic, but that's just what I personally believe and feel free to respond!
where the female champions then?
There's million of females playing chess now a days, they still can't compete with the men. ya'll need to stop shouting and actually prove women can perform equally as good on the board, not on a chess.com forum post.
U can't use the argument that "women are marginalised in chess" anymore, that excuse don't stick. No one cares, so either women still can't compete cuz there is a biological difference that we aren't ready to accept, or they just somehow never serious 100% of the time while playing.
What do you mean "where are the female champions" ?
There are female GMs.
If you mean literal world champion, that's not how rarity works. If you want something with a rarity of six sigma, you're going to need a population of a few hundred million.
But I agree the "society is repressing us" stuff is BS. On average women simply aren't as interested as men in chess... so they don't choose it. That doesn't mean females are dumb or shallow, it just means they're not interested.
Again, as i have pointed out, it's on the women to prove that they are just as good as men in chess because so far no woman has ever proven this. As soniathetics said, this idea that men and women are just as good in chess is shoved down our throad and yet no proof of this exists. Infact, it's exactly the opposite, men have proven to be way better than women. No woman has ever come close to being as good as the corresponding world champion, not even close.
I don't think the IQ differences between men and women has been brought up yet.
While average IQs between men and women are about the same, there is greater variation in men, and this matters a lot in the extreme levels of human performance.
There's a larger pool of men at the highest IQ levels, and so naturally you would expect to find more men at the extreme end of chess performance.
https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SexDifferences.aspx
Magnus Carlsen has a pretty extreme IQ level.
https://www.iq-test.net/magnus-carlsen-iq-score-pms63.html
Yes . I forgot to bring that thing up in my post .
Even though the average IQ between males and females is the same , the graph for men is more drastic . That implies you are going to have more males with extremely high iq than there are females and also more males with extremely low iq than there are females .
So yeah .