....you still ? Why don't u go cyberpreside in marriage over those (2) lovestruck olging horsies in your avatar ?
Why Can't I Uncastle a Castle ?
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The_Ghostess_Lola,
The ‘un-castle’ move is a legal move in the right circumstances.
How many Monopoly players use official rules? If you accept money on Free Parking, then you are not playing with the official rules. Can chess be altered? Yes, under the appropriate conditions; 960 is an example.
I like the question but dislike your approach; you ignore valid responses.
you can drink the uncola 7up but you cant uncastle!
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
SebastianCBarrett wrote:
You can't uncastle for the same reason you can't move pawns backwards.
ITS AN ILLEGAL MOVE!
Untrue to the point that I'm beginning to wonder if it's u who needs to call 911.
FIDE is explicit about pawns.
Typical troll tactics - mess up the facts. FIDE is not explicit about pawns - rules say pawns may move forward. Rules never say pawns can't move backward. Moving pawns backward is just not listed as legal move so according to 3.10b it is illegal - same like uncastling.
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
....you still ? Why don't u go cyberpreside in marriage over those (2) olging horsies in your avatar ?
The hungry troll!! Still out looking for a meal.
but go ahead and ponder jumping your king over your rook...
Jan 11, 2017
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#288
Trouble uncastling?
If your castling lasts for more than 4 hours, consult a doctor.
The antics of trolls make more reasonable folk desperate to get them to confess their sins and see sense, which is the force that makes those reasonable folk respond. Of course it makes no difference.
But I wish I"d known about all this stuff two weeks ago when I thought I was dropping a piece in an OTB Game. In shock did not see that I could easily win it back with interest, and resigned . As soon as I had resigned I saw what I could have done and that it led to a winning position. Heck I could have unresigned!
Meanwhile, I am fed up of getting older. From now on I am going to have an un-birthday once a year. In 28 years I'll be back in my mid-teens and ready to work for a Master title.
I'm honestly not sure if this has been addressed, but your idea of "undoing" moves, i.e. 1. Nf3 followed by 2. Ng1 as the undoing of a move, seems to be the result of symmetry. That is, the definition of the way pieces move generally allows another move that results in the same position as before the first move.
This symmetry is not present in the definition of pawn movement and castling (as has been pointed out).
As far as I can tell, FIDE rules are quite clear, they define the way the pieces move (including castling) and as it happens, a lot of the pieces' movement have symmetry properties and a few movements don't.
Why don't we have 'uncastling'? My argument would be similar to one posted already: the rules define two movements for the king and castling doesn't allow for uncastling.
To me it seems that this symmetry property is a point that we don't agree on. Lola believes that symmetry (the "undoing") is part of the definition, while I (and others here) believe it to be an accidental property. And the FIDE rules seem to agree with us, and the discussion of whether symmetry is essential or not should be deferred to somewhere else.
The only thing that is unclear is the nature of the endorphin that tickles the hypothalamus of a mammalian troll.
Jan 11, 2017
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#292
president_max wrote:
decastle sounds better imho
Now, there's an excellent posting !....Thanx President Max !
Jan 11, 2017
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#293
ModestAndPolite wrote:
The antics of trolls make more reasonable folk desperate to get them to confess their sins and see sense, which is the force that makes those reasonable folk respond. Of course it makes no difference.
But I wish I"d known about all this stuff two weeks ago when I thought I was dropping a piece in an OTB Game. In shock did not see that I could easily win it back with interest, and resigned . As soon as I had resigned I saw what I could have done and that it led to a winning position. Heck I could have unresigned!
Meanwhile, I am fed up of getting older. From now on I am going to have an un-birthday once a year. In 28 years I'll be back in my mid-teens and ready to work for a Master title.
Well, I'll be 42 on Halloween. I'll think about what you said....this grave to cradle stuff.
And BTW, You're not the most M&P, but I just had a moment.... so graces collateralized.
And something else. You shoulda deresigned.
....only 'cuz it's the new word of the day....L 
Jan 11, 2017
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#294
TY for #321 Fooliot. You kinda seem to know where I'm going w/ my argument.
Point....symmetry is inherent in chess w/out any FIDE Rulebook. Castling is a one-off dum hinger that was "made up" by someone & it happened to stick. Why ?....IDK. Research anyone ?....help ?
Decastling would enrich the game. Not being able to ?....aids the simpleton.
And something else. I'm not really warm to the word "Uncastling" or "Descastling". I feel that there could be a better one out there. Uncoupling ?....Decoupling ?....just throwing those out.
Jan 11, 2017
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#295
....and 'cuz the rulebooks say someone can or can't be done doesn't necessarily make it the best for play. It just gives a guideline that ur required to follow for sanction.
Bobby Fischer was well on this road.
And that's why ppl stretch so much to create variants. 'Cuz there's a demand out there.
Jan 11, 2017
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#296
Pilchuck wrote:
The only thing that is unclear is the nature of the endorphin that tickles the hypothalamus of a mammalian troll.
(Darn....he came off the mountain.)
Jan 11, 2017
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#297
So , undoing a move is not possible and king has "only 2 ways to move".
What exactly is unclear?
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Simple. In a uncastle, you're still moving the King (2) squares.
And BTW, in Article 3.8a, I feel that the word "original" should be replaced w/ "initial board setup".
I'm telling you, I can run with the biggest of hair-splitting, "let's get technical" dawgs.
The right to castle has been lost: [a] if the king has already moved, or [b] with a rook that has already moved.
After reading this in Article 3 The Moves of the Pieces, it is clear that you lose your "right to castle" after moving either the king or rook once. Since castling IS A MOVE it's only logical to see why one can't un-castle.
After reading this in Article 3 The Moves of the Pieces, it is clear that you lose your "right to castle" after moving either the king or rook once. Since castling IS A MOVE it's only logical to see why one can't un-castle.
Jan 11, 2017
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#299
(#323) FIDE rules don't mention that uncapture is forbiden.
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Once a pawn or piece is captured, the board pawn/piece count will never ever increase. Upon promotion, a pawn is replaced with a piece - but the total count remains the same.
This is inherent. Castling/Uncastling is an extraordinary move in the game of chess.
What's your rating again ?....I mean for real ?
Jan 11, 2017
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#300
Sha-Doh wrote:
The right to castle has been lost: [a] if the king has already moved, or [b] with a rook that has already moved.
After reading this in Article 3 The Moves of the Pieces, it is clear that you lose your "right to castle" after moving either the king or rook once. Since castling IS A MOVE it's only logical to see why one can't un-castle.
After reading this in Article 3 The Moves of the Pieces, it is clear that you lose your "right to castle" after moving either the king or rook once. Since castling IS A MOVE it's only logical to see why one can't un-castle.
Castling is a bolt from a blue sky that is NOT logical. Bobby Fischer couldn't make that move up after 64 years hunkered over 64 squares.
So are you saying that uncastling is illogical ?
Check imagination.....I repeat....check imagination....check it now !
Lola is one hungry troll...