Why Can't I Uncastle a Castle ?

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Shippen

For the same reason you cannot demote, its a single linear move one way traffic.

The_Ghostess_Lola

That's not the argument here. It's about the vague wording as given in FIDE Article 3.8a.

In it, it says nothing about it being "one-off" committing & unwindable, yet it's just another move when all other noncapture, nonpromoting "piece" moves are retraceable.

The_Ghostess_Lola

I strongly suggest FIDE does a serious revisit before they find themselves in a challenge right at the worst time possible (World Championship ?).

The_Ghostess_Lola
knig22 wrote:

Why am I not allowed to 0-0-0-0 with King and promoted rook? The rules say nothing about this. Both King and Rook are have not moved yet.

Tim Krabbe already took us thru this.

uri65
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I strongly suggest FIDE does a serious revisit before they find themselves in a challenge right at the worst time possible (World Championship ?).

The revisit has already been done in 2014: Laws of Chess: For competitions starting on or after 1 July 2014 but as a typical troll you prefer not to notice it.

thegreat_patzer
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I strongly suggest FIDE does a serious revisit before they find themselves in a challenge right at the worst time possible (World Championship ?).

ha!

 

I dare a strong gm to endure the humiliation of trying to "insist" that he can uncastle (presumably to avoid losing a painful defeat).   the fact it hasn't happened in 150 years of modern chess should tell you how likely that would be.

uri65
knig22 wrote:

Why am I not allowed to 0-0-0-0 with King and promoted rook? The rules say nothing about this. Both King and Rook are have not moved yet.

grin.png New rules cover this loophole by requiring a move to be "along the player’s first rank".

The_Ghostess_Lola
uri65 wrote:
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I strongly suggest FIDE does a serious revisit before they find themselves in a challenge right at the worst time possible (World Championship ?).

The revisit has already been done in 2014: Laws of Chess: For competitions starting on or after 1 July 2014 but as a typical troll you prefer not to notice it.

My castling concern wasn't amended from July, 1 2005. And quit accuzing me of a troll. I have legitimate grounds here....and you know it.

The_Ghostess_Lola

....and a callout to Bishop. TY 4ur input....Smile....  

The_Ghostess_Lola
thegreat_patzer wrote:
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

I strongly suggest FIDE does a serious revisit before they find themselves in a challenge right at the worst time possible (World Championship ?).

ha!

 

I dare a strong gm to endure the humiliation of trying to "insist" that he can uncastle (presumably to avoid losing a painful defeat).   the fact it hasn't happened in 150 years of modern chess should tell you how likely that would be.

Wrongo. VK was playing AK back 30 or 40 years ago and didn't know the castling rules.

The_Ghostess_Lola

....and if there's anyone here who probably knows as much as anyone regarding the history and rules of castling....it's me. And I take pride in that.

SonOfThunder2

How is this thread still going?  I left hours ago

thegreat_patzer

do you mean kasparov and karpov?

 

have you chatted with them recently?  both have retired ofc.  you need to convince a strong supergm to give it a go- or it would be the end of their career.

 

I say that with sadness.

 

professional chessplayers live by a gm eats gm kind of code.   and if one of them was thought to be really dense or something.....

 

but I suppose if Magnus Carlsen asked the question- he's SO legendary and respected in the chess world.....

thegreat_patzer

@SOT

 

apparently mostly ghostess alone sees the problem.  but we have many reactions - between rudeness, to annoyance going on.

 

I'm really don't understand what all the fuss is about it.

tbh

 

there are many, many greivances people have with FIDE.  I would almost go so far as to say that if certain people in FIDE think chessplayers don't like their rules and rulings (particularly if those people are western)

that makes them happy.

 

the absolutely NO chance FIDE would address this.

 

so why worry?  the real question, will ghostess actually try to uncastle perhaps in a tournament game??

The_Ghostess_Lola

'Cuz I actually carry a stance....that's why.

The most important point here, by far, is that FIDE is quite hazy & derelict in remaining specific as to why uncastling is not an illegal move when it meets all the criterion as an equal & opposite move to castling.

SonOfThunder2

It would be something to see

The_Ghostess_Lola

No. I mean a game between Viktor Korchnoi & Anatoly Karpov & a TD back in 1974ish (?).

....just google it.

thegreat_patzer

i'm trying to understand lola.

what do you mean you carry a stance?  its just a generic concern with the way the rules are written?  what could you do, really??

 

I guess if I'm following your logic.

 

you mean you would sue.  you would do a lawsuit against FIDE- if a chessplayer tried to uncastle and couldn't.

if the position bore it out- I suppose you get damages and everything but claiming that a chess player was cheated out rightful chess earnings because he was not allowed to play it.

 

I don't know Lola. that seems a tall amount of lawyering.... and now MY point applies.  Who would do this (try playing that move in a serious open tournament)?  would you??

I really think most professionals would NOT.  keep in mind as well, that the person that does this has to have a reasonable claim of economic disadvantage or else-- well there's just not enough $$$ in it to make it work.

thegreat_patzer

I'll google... then

ty

uri65
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

'Cuz I actually carry a stance....that's why.

The most important point here, by far, is that FIDE is quite hazy & derelict in remaining specific as to why uncastling is not an illegal move when it meets all the criterion as an equal & opposite move to castling.

There is nothing in the rules about "equal & opposite move" - it's just your invention and totally irrelevant. Rules state what moves are legal and uncastling is not among them - so it is illegal.