why did bobby Fischer quit chess?

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There’s a vid on YT about it and apparently he hated it
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  • Before he was champion he had a purpose in playing chess--to prove to himself and the world that he was the best. Once he was champion all chess gave him was the fear of losing (not to any particular player) and damaging his reputation and self-image.
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He refused to play because he felt the world championship format wasn’t designed as well as he thought it should be. He made a new format similar to alekhine vs capablanca where the challenger had to beat the champion 5x no draws included, because you could keep drawing you’re games and keep the title, so I think if I remember correctly, it was the first to 10 wins but the challenger had to get 5x wins more, Fischer said it was more fair because it shows the challenger is actually worthy for the title
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No, he said the he would win if he won 9 games before the challenger won 10, but the challenger had to win 10 games before he won 9.

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@90

No, he said the World Champion would be the first to win 10 games, draws not counting,
but at 9-9 the World Champion would hold his title and a new match would be scheduled,
as one game cannot decide the World Championship.

Remember he had beaten both Taimanov and Larsen 6 - 0 in Candidates Matches.
He had beaten Petrosian with 5 wins against 1 with 3 draws.
He had beaten Spassky with 7 wins to 3, with 11 draws.
The first Kasparov-Karpov match aborted with 5 to 3 and 40 draws showed first to win 6 games was no viable format.
Nowadays a single rapid, or even blitz game, decides the classical World Championship:
Rapid tiebreakers decided Carlsen-Karjakin, Carlsen-Caruana, and Ding-Nepomniachtchi.

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tygxc wrote:

@90

No, he said the World Champion would be the first to win 10 games, draws not counting,
but at 9-9 the World Champion would hold his title and a new match would be scheduled,
as one game cannot decide the World Championship.

No, his condition was that should the match be tied 9-9 he would retain his title. That's why most people at the time called it "outright cheating and FIDE rejected it.

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@92

"should the match be tied 9-9 he would retain his title"
++ Yes, and a new match would be scheduled.

"people at the time called it "outright cheating and FIDE rejected it."
++ Karpov rejected it, mostly fearing that the match would take too long.
He was proven right in the Karpov-Kasparov match for first to win 6 instead of 10.
The 9-9 case was unlikely in any case. So the 9-9 clause would only be 'cheating' in the unlikely case that it came to 9-9. Karpov-Kasparov got no further than 5-3 after 47 games.

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Fischer couldn't take the stress and the doubt. He wasn't well.

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tygxc wrote:

@90

No, he said the World Champion would be the first to win 10 games, draws not counting,
but at 9-9 the World Champion would hold his title and a new match would be scheduled,
as one game cannot decide the World Championship.

Remember he had beaten both Taimanov and Larsen 6 - 0 in Candidates Matches.
He had beaten Petrosian with 5 wins against 1 with 3 draws.
He had beaten Spassky with 7 wins to 3, with 11 draws.
The first Kasparov-Karpov match aborted with 5 to 3 and 40 draws showed first to win 6 games was no viable format.
Nowadays a single rapid, or even blitz game, decides the classical World Championship:
Rapid tiebreakers decided Carlsen-Karjakin, Carlsen-Caruana, and Ding-Nepomniachtchi.

Which means that the World Chess Championship is meaningless.

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Fischer would have played Karpov if his 3 non-negotiable conditions were met.
Fischer would have played in the 1974 Nice Olympiad, if his condition to play in a seperate room for him, his opponent, and spectators was met.

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tygxc wrote:

Fischer would have played Karpov if his 3 non-negotiable conditions were met.
Fischer would have played in the 1974 Nice Olympiad, if his condition to play in a seperate room for him, his opponent, and spectators was met.

Seperate rooms is a deviation from the spirit of the event. It was an indication, too, of his mental illness and he should have realised that, if he hadn't been mentally ill. I can understand the refusal of the organisers to meet that condition.

I've forgotten what the non-negotiable conditions were, eacept as an indication of his own condition at the time.

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There's a Conspiracy Theory. The US Government didn't want Fischer to lose to Karpov. They persuaded Fischer to quit chess. Fischer LOVE chess so much it's Impossible for him to quit on his own.

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'As I made clear in my telegram to the FIDE delegates, the match conditions I proposed were non-negotiable. Mr. Cramer informs me that the rules of the winner being the first player to win ten games, draws not counting, unlimited number of games and if nine wins to nine match is drawn with champion regaining title and prize fund split equally were rejected by the FIDE delegates. By so doing FIDE has decided against my participation in the 1975 World Chess Championship. Therefore, I resign my FIDE World Chess Championship title.' - Fischer.

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Optimissed wrote:

Fischer couldn't take the stress and the doubt. He wasn't well.

No, hear it from his mouth why he did not play karpov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS9n-8bmhV0&t=3484s play from 1:04:48

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The new format he was proposing was not a trick for him to avoid playing karpov, according to this interview he was saying this for years long before he even hear of karpov, he thought his title would give his more say in FIDE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzrsQJCpP-w play from 59:13

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Tychooju12 wrote:

I guess he quit because he was mentally disturbed.

And I assume that all those who praise him as a GOAT are at least 2000 FIDE and analysed at least one or two of his games.

Otherwise why would they know that?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 BAAHHAHAHAHAH

"GOAT" "ONE OR TWO GAMES"

your not the greatest of all time because of one or two games, your the greatest of all time because your better than everybody else.

and you dont need to be expert in that field to know someone is the best in that field, i dont play or watch soccer but i know ronaldo is the best soccer player

but if your looking for one of two games of him check out, "game of the century" and Fischer vs R. Byrne - US, 1963

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Dr. Reuben Fine, psychologist and world class player (who knew Bobby for years) predicted that if Fischer won the title in 1972 his fragile ego would cause him to never play again because he couldn't face the possibility that he wasn't the GOAT. It was Fischer's mental instability that caused him to quit. If FIDE had agreed to his demands he would have come up with some other reason that he was being treated unfairly and cancelled the 1975 match.

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Ganidu wrote:
Coz he is too old

He quit at the age of 32.

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Tychooju12 wrote:
OmegaGrandMasterGWiz wrote:
Tychooju12 wrote:

I guess he quit because he was mentally disturbed.

And I assume that all those who praise him as a GOAT are at least 2000 FIDE and analysed at least one or two of his games.

Otherwise why would they know that?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 BAAHHAHAHAHAH

"GOAT" "ONE OR TWO GAMES"

your not the greatest of all time because of one or two games, your the greatest of all time because your better than everybody else.

and you dont need to be expert in that field to know someone is the best in that field, i dont play or watch soccer but i know ronaldo is the best soccer player

but if your looking for one of two games of him check out, "game of the century" and Fischer vs R. Byrne - US, 1963

Just don't wet your bed in the night. Your mom will be angry.

?? why are you resorting to ad hominem attacks instead of a sound argument? is it because you dont have an argument because of weak logic? if you simply dont understand or uninformed that cant be fixed by doing research yourself, but if your goal is to insult because you feel stupid then that is pathetic and weak... your choice of words were interesting, would your mother beat you if you wet your bed when you were younger?

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mpaetz wrote:

Dr. Reuben Fine, psychologist and world class player (who knew Bobby for years) predicted that if Fischer won the title in 1972 his fragile ego would cause him to never play again because he couldn't face the possibility that he wasn't the GOAT. It was Fischer's mental instability that caused him to quit. If FIDE had agreed to his demands he would have come up with some other reason that he was being treated unfairly and cancelled the 1975 match.

I think he would have played. The issue is that Fischer player differently from other grandmasters; he was laser focused on winning, while most grandmasters assume the game is a draw and only win when their opponent makes a mistake they can capitalize on. Fischer's proposed world championship rules were more favorable for a player focused on winning.