i admired Karpov for going straight out to prove his point like that, i had a book with a few hundred of his tournament games and all in that period.
Why Didn't Bobby Fischer Defend HIs World Title?
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fabelhaft wrote:
mauriciolopezsr wrote:
Fischer was NOT afraid of anyone! for over 50 years the Reigning champion dictated the coditions of the World Title match ( by the way, they were ALL russians) as soon as Fischer wan, Fide under pressure from the Komis; proceeded to strip Fischer of these rigths the Champions had enjoyed for over 1/2 century
The reigning Champions had to follow the rules set by FIDE since 1948, and were not allowed to change the rules to make it more difficult for the challenger than it had been for themselves when they were challengers (as Fischer demanded the right to do). The champions before 1948 were Capablanca, Euwe and (French citizen) Alekhine, who can't be accused of being supported by the Soviet Union, but in any case there weren't more than 50 years of Russian-only Champions before 1972.
The idea that FIDE changed some rules after Fischer won is only true insofar as they changed some rules Fischer demanded to have changed, and only refused the one where his challenger would have to win with a margin of two wins to get the title.
You must be a Komi defending de Komis, every champion starting with Alekine in the 20's after he defeated Capablanca ruthlessly enforced his privileges & virtually negated Capablanca a fair re-match have been russian Botvinik, Tal,Petrossian, Spasky. Even the Enciclopedia recognizes this period as the period of Soviet DOMINANCE ever since FIDE started to control the Championships in 1948!
Because he didn't want to. Got some sort of problem with that?
Yereslov wrote:
Karpov would have crushed Fischer if he had the chance.
U R dreaming kid!!! Fischer was 25 years ahead of any other player of his time. Petrosian was a hell of a lot more solid player than Karpov and Fischer DEMOLISHED him 6-1/2 - 21/2
DonJuan_DeMarco wrote:
i admired Karpov for going straight out to prove his point like that, i had a book with a few hundred of his tournament games and all in that period.
U R forgetting that half the players in those tournaments were Russian whom made him look good; that is preceisely what Fischer fought for 15 years the fact that they in the everybody against everybody set up they had to decide the challenger they were giving the games to the Russian that was on the lead and He proved that some of these guys resigned in won positions!!
Wow, he won 120 tourneys?! lol
Sure, Estragon but it is much nicer to think that Fischer was the strongest player ever. It was brief and it could have been different, but for me nobody after him was stronger. I just like his story.
Except for the Hitler part.
He was probably all played out. What fischer did in 1972 match showed everything: phsychology, opening surprises, and how he takes risks in certain opening schemes. Besides, Karpov was relatively unknown at the time. And his meteoric rise is indeed to be feared. Just an opinion though.
Estragon wrote:
just plain fantasy based on wishes.
Ah yes, the stuff of which threads are made...
His brain burned out cause he had no life other than chess.
Pretty much that's the way it looks...
Estragon wrote:
mauriciolopezsr wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
Karpov would have crushed Fischer if he had the chance.
U R dreaming kid!!! Fischer was 25 years ahead of any other player of his time. Petrosian was a hell of a lot more solid player than Karpov and Fischer DEMOLISHED him 6-1/2 - 21/2
Petrosian never in his career approached the strength Karpov already had achieved by 1974. Karpov's style was closer to Capablanca's than Petrosian's. The problem he would have presented Fischer was his refusal to create weaknesses, and his ability to focus on the slightest advantage to slowly increase its importance.
If Fischer wanted to show he could beat Karpov, he had only to accept one of the many lucrative offers tournament organizers sent him to play. He did not. Karpov didn't run and hide, he was out there in every major event.
I guess we can agree that Karpov was a strong player, however, He was NO Fischer! as I stated I believe He reached a settlement with the State Department regarding his Book: "My most memorable games" which was printed in the Soviet Union without paying him royalties and such settlement required him NOT to defend his title. Money makes the world go around!
Not to mention the fact that, compared to who we're talking about, we all really really REALLY suck.
I think it's possible to rank players of the past with regards to greatness, of course everyone won't agree but there are many reasons that Lasker's career achievements make him greater than Spassky, and looking at their results for example Kasparov outshines Petrosian. I don't think a 2800 player necessarily has to be a better judge of that than an 1800 player, it's just a question of stipulating reasonable criteria for evaluating players and follow them.
Estragon wrote:
mauriciolopezsr wrote:
Estragon wrote:
mauriciolopezsr wrote:
Yereslov wrote:
Karpov would have crushed Fischer if he had the chance.
U R dreaming kid!!! Fischer was 25 years ahead of any other player of his time. Petrosian was a hell of a lot more solid player than Karpov and Fischer DEMOLISHED him 6-1/2 - 21/2
Petrosian never in his career approached the strength Karpov already had achieved by 1974. Karpov's style was closer to Capablanca's than Petrosian's. The problem he would have presented Fischer was his refusal to create weaknesses, and his ability to focus on the slightest advantage to slowly increase its importance.
If Fischer wanted to show he could beat Karpov, he had only to accept one of the many lucrative offers tournament organizers sent him to play. He did not. Karpov didn't run and hide, he was out there in every major event.
I guess we can agree that Karpov was a strong player, however, He was NO Fischer! as I stated I believe He reached a settlement with the State Department regarding his Book: "My most memorable games" which was printed in the Soviet Union without paying him royalties and such settlement required him NOT to defend his title. Money makes the world go around!
This is utter nonsense. Fischer eventually got a token payment for Soviet sales of his book, but it had nothing to do with his title.
Please do not use false allegations. It makes you look dishonest.
How candid are U?? You really can't expect the State Department to make public the terms and conditions of such arrangement, do U??
Bottom line, Karpov was NOT worthy of even shinning Bobby's shoes!!
Again despite his record of most tournaments won, still NO ONE has come even close to Fischer's record of winning 20 games against Grand Master's in a row!! Nor NO ONE has won a Tournament with the luxury of NOT showing up to the three last rounds and STILL WIN!!!!
Fischer was obsessed, like a lot of strong players who find the game important enough to dedicate their whole life to. I just finished reading "endgame" and it paints an interesting picture. A smart guy posessed by his thoughts and sometimes charming but most of the time stubborn, foolish, hostile and insulting. He could have made millions if he had been more reasonable and willing to let others have a small share. But hè wanted it all and had therefore nothing. Hè was then obliged to play Spassky in yuguslavia. This way hè got his millions but was then prosecuted by the US. He lived in his mind. That is why hè believed stupid books about jews etc.. Very introverted character.
bronsteinitz wrote:
No question the man was a clinical case! However, I don't admire him for his personality. Whatever faults he may have had and He had many; still that doesn't changed the fact that He was the greatest player of his time and probably the 2nd greatest player of all time behind Paul Morphy; these Russians like Karpov with a team of seconds to help him prepare for the games and help him analyze postponed games or guys like Kasparov that analyzes games with super computers and then comes and plays prepared lines well into the 30th move that impress me one bit. Fischer was daring and never back down from a fight and He was ALWAYS choosing the sharperst line in every opening challenging his opponent to show what he had! A couple of times He paid the price and was surprised but most of the time he prevail and score impressive wins!
Fischer was obsessed, like a lot of strong players who find the game important enough to dedicate their whole life to. I just finished reading "endgame" and it paints an interesting picture. A smart guy posessed by his thoughts and sometimes charming but most of the time stubborn, foolish, hostile and insulting. He could have made millions if he had been more reasonable and willing to let others have a small share. But hè wanted it all and had therefore nothing. Hè was then obliged to play Spassky in yuguslavia. This way hè got his millions but was then prosecuted by the US. He lived in his mind. That is why hè believed stupid books about jews etc.. Very introverted character.
it's bang on!