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Why didn't Fischer play Karpov
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at the end of the day we will never know fischer was flying high after the spassky match but karpov was at the top of his game as well he was a worthy challanger
Dec 4, 2016
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#65
- He was scared, But i still thinking that Fischer had chances to win.
In 75 Fischer was better than Karpov . Keep in mind Karpov never beat Fischer's peak rating even though he played for decades after Fischer was out of the picture . Karpov also only has an even record against T Petrosian and Fischer crushed him . There is absolutely no reason to believe Karpov was ever better than Fischer and certainly not in the 70s
Dec 4, 2016
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#67
Myself i have seen so any posts on this subject that i am pretty tired of it. The simple fact is that he could not come to an agreement with the ruling chess organization and he refused to defend his title. As a player fischer is much to be admired but as a champion he stands at the bottom of the list.
The problem I have with games played between Spassky and Karpov is that there is no way of knowing that Spassky wasnt pressured ( ordered ? ) to lose to Karpov ? Karpov was the new darling of the soviets and they did NOT want Fischer to face Spassky again . There is no logical reason to believe Fischer would be worse in 75 than in 72 . He had taken long absences from chess twice before in his career and came back stronger both times . This indicates that even when he wasnt playing he never stopped working on chess . When did Karpov break 2700 ?
Russiaaaa and the Soviet Union, that's why. Fischer hated Russians
Justs99171 wrote:
Reb wrote:
The problem I have with games played between Spassky and Karpov is that there is no way of knowing that Spassky wasnt pressured ( ordered ? ) to lose to Karpov ? Karpov was the new darling of the soviets and they did NOT want Fischer to face Spassky again . There is no logical reason to believe Fischer would be worse in 75 than in 72 . He had taken long absences from chess twice before in his career and came back stronger both times . This indicates that even when he wasnt playing he never stopped working on chess . When did Karpov break 2700 ?
If FIDE had implemented elo ratings earlier in Fischer's career, this would have undoubtedly lowered his rating substantially.
Basically Fischer got his peak rating performance for a permanent rating. I'm a little puzzled as to how this is overlooked.
This is pretty simple. If someone has an established rating of 1800, then improves and starts performing like they are 2200, their rating is NEVER going to reach 2200. They would have to exceed a 2200 rating performance many times to reach 2200.
Imagine if Karpov wasn't rated until 1994 ...
And I seriously doubt that Spassky was ordered to lose to Karpov. I think you're getting a little too far off the deep end with the whole conspiracy KGB interference with chess theory.
Good points.
Dec 5, 2016
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#71
What I can recall from 1974 is that everybody (except Russians maybe) was expecting Fisher to beat Karpov. This is why the demands ffrom Bobby were mostly seen as money demands. At that point in time , I repeat, most people tought Bobby woul win easily.
Fact is that they did not play and so we will never know for sure what would have happened.
I personally think that all reasoning based on chess ratings are flawed as they compare ratings valid in different moments, different opponents, etc..
Fisher was a phantastic player and a well deserved chess champion. The same for Karpov.
Saludos.
Dec 5, 2016
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#72
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Fischer wasn't a fugitive until after the 90s Spassky match. The match where he became world champ was played in the 70s.
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I imagine Fischer didn't play Karpov for the same reason he very nearly didn't play Spassky... partly fear of losing, and partly fear of winning. If he loses it's proof he's not as good... but even worse, If he wins and he's the best, in a way his life loses it's meaning (working towards that goal is what kept him going).
I was around and took a lot of interest in the case at the time.
But, I see the poster's membership is closed, so I will not bother rebutting his version of events.
fischer fought in vietnam just like rambo
I thought, it was 'common knowledge'! .. 'Fwiw' ..'Bobby' had a Bad case of 'halatosis' in his 'middle'-to-latter years.. which amazingly dwarfed, his other personality defects ! o:
Karpov did not want to play
and then FIDE gave him the title
i checked this and found out on wikipedia
Jan 11, 2017
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#76
That´s not what happened.
Bobby made a lot o demands: chesswise and moneywise.
There was no agreement. Bobby did not accept to play as per what was being offered.
Karpov champion !
Regards.
karpov did not want to play because of bobby's demands
I believe Karpov wanted to play because he knew it would boost his chess/career . However , his federation would not permit him to plav under Fischer's demands and Fischer made demands that he knew wouldnt be accepted so he would have an excuse not to play . I think Fischer didnt want to play this match but I dont believe he feared Karpov , he was just sick of dealing with FIDE and had obtained his goal of becoming WC .
Jan 12, 2017
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#79
I prefer a psychological or motivational explanation for Fischer's withdrawal from competition.
Having achieved his life goal by becoming World Chess Champion, Fischer felt "deserted by his enemies". The internal engine, that had powered him up through the ranks to the very top of his field, ran out of gas.
Jan 12, 2017
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#80
I think people overlook the most obvious explanation.
Becoming the first non-soviet world champion in 35 years, amidst the cold war, put Fischer in the spotlight like no other chess player before or since (even Morphy or Capablanca). Here was a man who didn't merely distrust strangers or valued his privacy, he had serious mental issues. Yet, for a short while before and after the summer of 1972 he was tossed in the limelight and was "forced" to live the life of a rockstar or famous actor.
Those familiar with Fischer's wilderness years know his paranoia grew to the point where he had his fillings removed, covered his windows with tin foil, was afraid of being spied on through his TV set, and walked around with a suitcase full of God knows what pills he claimed were antidotes against potential poisoning attempts. As Saidy relates in Bobby Fischer against the world, he had false fixed ideas about an ever widening conspiracy surrounding him involving the russians, the jews, and later the american government too.
A person in such a state of mind is not likely to come out of the shadows (again) in order to prove to the rest of the world something he already did. Bobby might have enjoyed playing chess still, but in his mind he already had made himself a mark for those nefarious elements, real or imagined.
I tend to agree with stuzzicadenti. In my opinion, there is not such a thing as "the best of all times" in any kind of human activity.
Fischer was the best for some time, than Karpov, followed by Kasparov. Today Carsel (??) is the #1. In the past, Petrosian, Alekhine, Capablanca, and others had their reign.
Also, I think it is not possible or fair to compare one of these great chessplayers with anyother that live in a different span of time. Life today is, eg, completely different from the Alekhine´s time. Resorurces are others, competitive chessplayers also.
There is a "best" chessplayer for each moment in time.
Saludos.
I disagree , sorta . Usain Bolt is currently the fastest man of all time in 100m sprint and 200m . It would be more accurate to say he is the fastest sprinter to date because in the future someone will probably break his records as well .