Why do religious leaders feel threatened by chess?

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rothbard959

Chess is a “waste of time” and causes enmity between players, according to the grand mufti of S. Arabia.

This is not the first time that a spiritual leader has denounced chess as a distraction from religious devotions. An Italian sage of the 11th century, Saint Peter Damian, scolded the bishop of Florence for his weakness for the game. Chess was initially outlawed by Iranian Revolution which prevailed in 1979; however in 1988, Ayatollah Khomeini said it was permissible as long as it is not combined with gambling. However a contemporary Shia leader, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani of Iraq, has emphatically forbidden all forms of chess, whether played online or with physical pieces, and regardless of whether betting is involved.

Why do fundamentalist religious leaders feel threatened by chess?

camurcu
I don't believe there are religious motives that forbide chess since the only respectable leader on Your list is Khomeni and he allowed it. There must be other political reasons or..
Pulpofeira

Bagpipes, however...

RoobieRoo

golf should be outlawed! for goodness sake have you seen the way those clowns dress?

RoobieRoo
miriskra wrote:

Why do religious leaders feel threatened by chess?

Your argument is a non sequitur, that is it does not follow logically from the premise.  There is no indication that they feel threatened.  Pope John Paul II was a religious leader and an avid chess player and composer of chess problems.

Senior-Lazarus_Long

iMacChess

 Religion fears a thinking man... 

camurcu
What's the opposite of a "thinking" man? If religion only tolerates a marriage or prostitution in order to judge in terms of heaven or hell, chess has to be uninteresting.
IpswichMatt
miriskra wrote:

 

Why do religious leaders feel threatened by chess?

It's not really religious leaders in general though, is it? 

rothbard959
IpswichMatt wrote:
miriskra wrote:

 

Why do religious leaders feel threatened by chess?

It's not really religious leaders in general though, is it? 

good question. Religious leaders, authority, state, tyranny, dictatorship, whatever...

IpswichMatt
miriskra wrote:
IpswichMatt wrote:
miriskra wrote:

 

Why do religious leaders feel threatened by chess?

It's not really religious leaders in general though, is it? 

good question. Religious leaders, authority, state, tyranny, dictatorship, whatever...

Ha Ha. I meant It's not really the leaders of all religions. Don't recall, for example, the Bhuddists having anything against chess

Ziggy_Zugzwang

As a leading Jedi Master, I have no objection to chess !

rothbard959
IpswichMatt wrote:
miriskra wrote:
IpswichMatt wrote:
miriskra wrote:

 

Why do religious leaders feel threatened by chess?

It's not really religious leaders in general though, is it? 

good question. Religious leaders, authority, state, tyranny, dictatorship, whatever...

Ha Ha. I meant It's not really the leaders of all religions. Don't recall, for example, the Bhuddists having anything against chess

Totally correct.

nickydog

I think the Ruy Lopez opening was named after a priest & bishop : Rodrigo (Ruy) López de Segura (c. 1530 – c. 1580) was a Spanish priest and later bishop in Segura whose 1561 book Libro de la invención liberal y arte del juego del Axedrez was one of the first definitive books about modern chess in Europe, only after Pedro Damiano's 1512 book.

I think we get in trouble when we use too broad language as though "all religions" or "all chess players" or "all tv repairmen" do this or that. In fact we don't agree on much - including the best opening. And that brings us back to Ruy Lopez and the Ruy Lopez.

Mandy711

The leader who want chess outlawed must have bet a lot on Anand the last WCC. Sore loser 😎

X_PLAYER_J_X

This is funny!

So basically what the OP is saying is they have banned chess in his country.

LOL

In other countries people try to smuggle people, drugs, or other illegal things.

In his country people are trying to smuggle in chess boards & pieces!

 

How amusing!

He walks to the corner of the street and talks with a guy with a long trench coat.

The guy with the long trench coat opens his trench coat.

You see nothing, but hanging chess boards & different chess piece!

HAHAHAHHAHAAHHAH

The Trench coat guy uses phrases such as:

" I got the new Staunton for you."

" You remember last weeks Staunton? It ain't nothing!"

"This stuff right here. The stuff I got right now! It is called the bone collection!"

"The Cologne Luxury Bone collection in green. The color will get you so high."

bunicula

Is this about playing chess or selling chess equipment?

rothbard959

Why do fundamentalist religious leaders feel threatened by chess?

HAR1_hk

---_____----- some sort of crazy belief  !!!! heeeheeehee

IF U PLAY CHESS HEAVEN WILL PUNISH U!!!!!

RoobieRoo

Chess is a “waste of time” and causes enmity between players, according to the grand mufti of S. Arabia.

'Chess is a waste of time', is an opinion and is difficult to evaluate without corroboration.  There are those who advocate chess as a form of education citing statistics that those who engage in it tend to do better at school etc  There are people like Kasparov who attempt to use its principles and apply it to other areas of life like politics and business.  There are even some like myself that see in it certain values that may be applicable in life.  So its a matter of conjecture whether chess is 'a waste of time'.

That it causes enmity between people may have substance.  One only needs to think of Shirov and Kasparov, Kramnik and Topalov. Although its difficult to state whether the actual problem does not lie with a players personality rather than with the game itself, after all a predilection is not the same as a causation. In other words even though we are entering a combative environment there is no reason to think that it will cause in itself enmity between the participants.

There is still not a shred of evidence to suggest that religious leaders feel threatened by it and i suspect that the claim there is is nothing more than some veiled atheism masquerading as fact.