Why do some players immediately resign the moment they lose the momentum? Is it ego? Pride? Shame?

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GoldenDegree

Jul 8, 2022

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#181

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

jjupiter6 wrote:

Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.

I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).

You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.

I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.

What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.

Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.

Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.

Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.

Vegosiux

Jul 9, 2022

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#182

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

jjupiter6 wrote:

Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.

I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).

You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.

I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.

What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.

Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.

Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.

Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.

The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, and who you're trying to prove it to; but this is getting ridiculous. We're not talking about sandbaggers; we're talking about people who resign when they don't feel they can turn a match around anymore.

Even your professional athletes will sometimes, despite what they say on the press conferences, not play to win if they figure saving their strength for the next match and avoiding injuries is more important to their league effort than the result of this one particular match. Besides, smurfing very definitely does go on even in your "athletic sports". You know how teams, when playing an (on paper) lower-rated opponent will often rest out their top players, and play with the B-team?

A team or a player that "play to win" 24/7 will never win anything - they'll be beaten out by those smart enough to think strategically and not tire themselves out meaninglessly to win the match only to proceed to then losing the tournament because their next opponents were fresher.

GoldenDegree

Jul 9, 2022

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#183

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

jjupiter6 wrote:

Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.

I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).

You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.

I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.

What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.

Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.

Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.

Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.

The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.

How does that have to do with resigning? I’m not connecting the dots. How are esports players undermining lower skilled matches? And when you say esports, are you just talking about online chess?

GoldenDegree

Jul 9, 2022

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#184

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

jjupiter6 wrote:

Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.

I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).

You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.

I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.

What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.

Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.

Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.

Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.

The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, and who you're trying to prove it to; but this is getting ridiculous. We're not talking about sandbaggers; we're talking about people who resign when they don't feel they can turn a match around anymore.

Even your professional athletes will sometimes, despite what they say on the press conferences, not play to win if they figure saving their strength for the next match and avoiding injuries is more important to their league effort than the result of this one particular match. Besides, smurfing very definitely does go on even in your "athletic sports". You know how teams, when playing an (on paper) lower-rated opponent will often rest out their top players, and play with the B-team?

A team or a player that "play to win" 24/7 will never win anything - they'll be beaten out by those smart enough to think strategically and not tire themselves out meaninglessly to win the match only to proceed to then losing the tournament because their next opponents were fresher.

I agree with the last paragraph. If I gave my all to every chess game, I would be too mentally drained to function. Chess can be exhausting. When I play at the park for example, I’m not trying to focus so hard that I can’t socialize afterward.

Optimissed

Jul 9, 2022

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#185

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

jjupiter6 wrote:

Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.

I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).

You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.

I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.

What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.

Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.

Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.

Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.

The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, and who you're trying to prove it to; but this is getting ridiculous. We're not talking about sandbaggers; we're talking about people who resign when they don't feel they can turn a match around anymore.

Even your professional athletes will sometimes, despite what they say on the press conferences, not play to win if they figure saving their strength for the next match and avoiding injuries is more important to their league effort than the result of this one particular match. Besides, smurfing very definitely does go on even in your "athletic sports". You know how teams, when playing an (on paper) lower-rated opponent will often rest out their top players, and play with the B-team?

A team or a player that "play to win" 24/7 will never win anything - they'll be beaten out by those smart enough to think strategically and not tire themselves out meaninglessly to win the match only to proceed to then losing the tournament because their next opponents were fresher.

You can't except any sensible thinking from fools.

chessisNOTez884

Jul 9, 2022

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#186

what on earth is this.. ego?? resigning is ego?? pride??? go keep on spreading rumours.. shame??? damn it you talk like u never lost a chess game.. its just that they are losing and they accept it??

therealerickim

Jul 9, 2022

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#187

"Resigning = Egotism"

Someone didn't watch Queen's Gambit.

MaetsNori

Jul 9, 2022

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#188

There are multitudes of reasons for resignation, and the reasons can vary from player to player, from skill level to skill level.

Magnus Carlsen tells others to "never resign" - yet he, himself, resigns quite frequently.

If you look at all his official FIDE games (classical, rapid, and blitz), nearly all of his losses comes from ... him resigning.

This is because his advice (and the advice of other players/coaches who advise the same thing) is not meant to be taken as inflexible dogma. The advice is simply aimed at a particular audience: at lower-level players. Players who need to hear such advice.

For lower-level players, resigning in lost positions is generally not advisable, because their opponents aren't usually capable of properly converting an advantage. So the tide can quickly turn. A lost position can easily turn into a win.

The advice begins to lose its relevance for more experienced players - because more experienced players are better at properly assessing positions, and more capable of properly converting an advantage.

As a result, they're better at knowing when to play on, and knowing when it's time to bow out. This is why Magnus so frequently resigns his lost games - because he knows when resignation is the best possible move.

In any endeavor, advice has its merits - until it doesn't. Telling a beginning martial artist to always aim for a specific angle, when executing a particular kick, is practical advice. But the advice would no longer be useful for an experienced martial artist - who would be capable of kicking at any angle they wish ...

GoldenDegree

Jul 9, 2022

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#189

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

jjupiter6 wrote:

Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.

I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).

You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.

I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.

What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.

Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.

Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.

Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.

The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.

How does that have to do with resigning? I’m not connecting the dots. How are esports players undermining lower skilled matches? And when you say esports, are you just talking about online chess?

Its common expression online to say "git gud" as an excuse for "stomping noobs" which has become the online definition of "competitive". But in reality that is the opposite of competitive. Real competitive players do not want to play noobs, its not productive, its not satisfying, and it would give them a bad reputation. Playing noobs make you a worse player. Its why pro chess players and fans don't respect the streamers as much, even criticize Hikaru. In real life even young kids in the park will match up for the most competitive matchups they can. Because thats what competitive players want, at any level.

A level players congregated at certain parks, B players at another and so on. And even divide up the courts in those parks the same way, its just natural. If top level players felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those in the beginner parks, they would get a bad reputation, noone would want to play with them, and it would be forever because they would not be able to change their face like they can online. People would just stop going to the park the game would die.

Thats why in real life they have seperate leagues, little league, junior high, highschool, college, pros. amateur leagues at various skill levels. Farm leagues, pro leagues. they don't have one huge open tourney that the same people will keep winning. Thats not competitive for everyone.

A lot of streamers goal isn’t too improve though. Some of them are really just trying to have fun, educate and/or entertain, not necessarily improve. And that’s not a problem. I don’t understand where the problem is, where is this happening?

chessisNOTez884

Jul 9, 2022

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#190

this forum is literally competing to are chess players athletes for the title the worst ever forum..

Absolute Rubbish!!! ego pride shame oh my so what if someone resigns just because they are losing.. thats just acceptance

chessisNOTez884

Jul 9, 2022

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#191

CooloutAC wrote:

sachin884 wrote:

this forum is literally competing to are chess players athletes for the title the worst ever forum..

Absolute Rubbish!!! ego pride shame oh my so what if someone resigns just because they are losing.. thats just acceptance

someone just resigned in my last blitz game super early and I don't even know why. I don't know if I'd call it ego or pride. But it is definitely emotionally weak minded.

What the above poster was alluding to with streamers, is speedrunning aka smurfing. Anything that discredits, disrespects, or simply does not treat the game seriously, will lead to unsporting behavior.

Do I resign most of my matches? Yes. But the difference with me is I know it is wrong.

chess is life:- dont quit it just by failures.. instead learn from them.. my quote on chess...

chessisNOTez884

Jul 9, 2022

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#192

sachin884 wrote:

this forum is literally competing to are chess players athletes for the title the worst ever forum..

Absolute Rubbish!!! ego pride shame oh my so what if someone resigns just because they are losing.. thats just acceptance

chess vs video games laughing in corner.. hope i stay in top three in worst ever forum.. lol thats the thought chess vs video games forum have them in mind.. its surely in top 5 worst ever forums LOL

GoldenDegree

Jul 9, 2022

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#193

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

jjupiter6 wrote:

Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.

I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).

You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.

I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.

What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.

Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.

Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.

Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.

The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.

How does that have to do with resigning? I’m not connecting the dots. How are esports players undermining lower skilled matches? And when you say esports, are you just talking about online chess?

Its common expression online to say "git gud" as an excuse for "stomping noobs" which has become the online definition of "competitive". But in reality that is the opposite of competitive. Real competitive players do not want to play noobs, its not productive, its not satisfying, and it would give them a bad reputation. Playing noobs make you a worse player. Its why pro chess players and fans don't respect the streamers as much, even criticize Hikaru. In real life even young kids in the park will match up for the most competitive matchups they can. Because thats what competitive players want, at any level.

A level players congregated at certain parks, B players at another and so on. And even divide up the courts in those parks the same way, its just natural. If top level players felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those in the beginner parks, they would get a bad reputation, noone would want to play with them, and it would be forever because they would not be able to change their face like they can online. People would just stop going to the park the game would die.

Thats why in real life they have seperate leagues, little league, junior high, highschool, college, pros. amateur leagues at various skill levels. Farm leagues, pro leagues. they don't have one huge open tourney that the same people will keep winning. Thats not competitive for everyone.

A lot of streamers goal isn’t too improve though. Some of them are really just trying to have fun, educate and/or entertain, not necessarily improve. And that’s not a problem. I don’t understand where the problem is, where is this happening?

I never mentioned streamers, but it seems you know exactly what I am talking about even though you are pretending otherwise lol. Its a general e-sport problem across all games for decades now. But what is different about the chess.com community, since you brought it up, is that it is publicly accepted here by most, including the site themselves.

Are you sure you didn’t mention streamers? I genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about.

GoldenDegree

Jul 9, 2022

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#194

CooloutAC wrote:

sachin884 wrote:

this forum is literally competing to are chess players athletes for the title the worst ever forum..

Absolute Rubbish!!! ego pride shame oh my so what if someone resigns just because they are losing.. thats just acceptance

someone just resigned in my last blitz game super early and I don't even know why. I don't know if I'd call it ego or pride. But it is definitely emotionally weak minded.

What the above poster was alluding to with streamers, is speedrunning aka smurfing. Anything that discredits, disrespects, or simply does not treat the game seriously, will lead to unsporting behavior.

Do I resign most of my matches? Yes. But the difference with me is I know it is wrong.

Does that mean it’s wrong for me to play basketball as a fool who has no idea what I’m doing? I don’t have much intention to improve my basketball skills. Also, you can not know how to play a game and be a great sportsman.

chessisNOTez884

Jul 9, 2022

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#195

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

sachin884 wrote:

this forum is literally competing to are chess players athletes for the title the worst ever forum..

Absolute Rubbish!!! ego pride shame oh my so what if someone resigns just because they are losing.. thats just acceptance

someone just resigned in my last blitz game super early and I don't even know why. I don't know if I'd call it ego or pride. But it is definitely emotionally weak minded.

What the above poster was alluding to with streamers, is speedrunning aka smurfing. Anything that discredits, disrespects, or simply does not treat the game seriously, will lead to unsporting behavior.

Do I resign most of my matches? Yes. But the difference with me is I know it is wrong.

Does that mean it’s wrong for me to play basketball as a fool who has no idea what I’m doing? I don’t have much intention to improve my basketball skills. Also, you can not know how to play a game and be a great sportsman.

opinions vary from hatred to love.. just accept loved opinions and IGNORE hatred ones.. for one of you who is an hater of coolout ac

GoldenDegree

Jul 9, 2022

0

#196

sachin884 wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

sachin884 wrote:

this forum is literally competing to are chess players athletes for the title the worst ever forum..

Absolute Rubbish!!! ego pride shame oh my so what if someone resigns just because they are losing.. thats just acceptance

someone just resigned in my last blitz game super early and I don't even know why. I don't know if I'd call it ego or pride. But it is definitely emotionally weak minded.

What the above poster was alluding to with streamers, is speedrunning aka smurfing. Anything that discredits, disrespects, or simply does not treat the game seriously, will lead to unsporting behavior.

Do I resign most of my matches? Yes. But the difference with me is I know it is wrong.

Does that mean it’s wrong for me to play basketball as a fool who has no idea what I’m doing? I don’t have much intention to improve my basketball skills. Also, you can not know how to play a game and be a great sportsman.

opinions vary from hatred to love.. just accept loved opinions and IGNORE hatred ones.. for one of you who is an hater of coolout ac

I’ve recently picked up the hobby of arguing on cc. It’s fun, like debate!

chessisNOTez884

Jul 9, 2022

0

#197

GoldenDegree wrote:

sachin884 wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

sachin884 wrote:

this forum is literally competing to are chess players athletes for the title the worst ever forum..

Absolute Rubbish!!! ego pride shame oh my so what if someone resigns just because they are losing.. thats just acceptance

someone just resigned in my last blitz game super early and I don't even know why. I don't know if I'd call it ego or pride. But it is definitely emotionally weak minded.

What the above poster was alluding to with streamers, is speedrunning aka smurfing. Anything that discredits, disrespects, or simply does not treat the game seriously, will lead to unsporting behavior.

Do I resign most of my matches? Yes. But the difference with me is I know it is wrong.

Does that mean it’s wrong for me to play basketball as a fool who has no idea what I’m doing? I don’t have much intention to improve my basketball skills. Also, you can not know how to play a game and be a great sportsman.

opinions vary from hatred to love.. just accept loved opinions and IGNORE hatred ones.. for one of you who is an hater of coolout ac

I’ve recently picked up the hobby of arguing on cc. It’s fun, like debate!

its fun when its really debate.. not when its something thats wasting your time and energy..

chessisNOTez884

Jul 9, 2022

0

#198

even playing chess tons of hours like an addict is far better.. as it atleast does brain exercise unlike video games and arguments.. rubbish trash just wastes your time and energy

GoldenDegree

Jul 9, 2022

0

#199

sachin884 wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

sachin884 wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

sachin884 wrote:

this forum is literally competing to are chess players athletes for the title the worst ever forum..

Absolute Rubbish!!! ego pride shame oh my so what if someone resigns just because they are losing.. thats just acceptance

someone just resigned in my last blitz game super early and I don't even know why. I don't know if I'd call it ego or pride. But it is definitely emotionally weak minded.

What the above poster was alluding to with streamers, is speedrunning aka smurfing. Anything that discredits, disrespects, or simply does not treat the game seriously, will lead to unsporting behavior.

Do I resign most of my matches? Yes. But the difference with me is I know it is wrong.

Does that mean it’s wrong for me to play basketball as a fool who has no idea what I’m doing? I don’t have much intention to improve my basketball skills. Also, you can not know how to play a game and be a great sportsman.

opinions vary from hatred to love.. just accept loved opinions and IGNORE hatred ones.. for one of you who is an hater of coolout ac

I’ve recently picked up the hobby of arguing on cc. It’s fun, like debate!

its fun when its really debate.. not when its something thats wasting your time and energy..

I think it’s more like sibling bickering.

Vegosiux

Jul 10, 2022

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#200

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Vegosiux wrote:

GoldenDegree wrote:

jjupiter6 wrote:

Resigning is part of chess. Always has been. This isn't basketball or American Football where you have to play until time is up, even when losing. Some know nothings are having trouble separating them from chess.

I had difficulty separating the other way, lol. The difference though between football, basketball, or most other sports from a game of chess is that at some point the game resets to a starting position after points usually. This allows both teams some sort of chance. Unlike in a game of chess where losing focus for a move can topple your position for the game. I guess BJJ is similar to chess in that way, no wonder people people call grappling physical chess (though people call every sport in existence physical chess).

You still can forfeit even those matches. But that comes with some serious drawbacks, and the sponsors won't be too happy about it because you've just deprived them of contractually agreed ad uptime.

I suppose when chess championships get plastered all over with corporate logos, down to each individual piece, resignations will be more frowned upon, too.

What you say is probably true, but thats only because losers don't get sponsors. They want to sponsor winners. And if you resign at the drop of the hat, you simply won't win as much, period.

Everyone gets sponsors. Even TB Buccaneers in their worst years had sponsors.

Whole sports don't even get sponsors. And if basketball or football players acted like many e-sport players in real life, their sports would be just as dead.

Wdym? I don’t know much on football or basketball or esports.

The same basic principles apply to all sports. Basically if real life athletic sports athletes chose to smurf or felt entitled to undermine the competitive matches of those lower skilled then them, they would not be as respected or supported. And noone respects a player in any game, who doesn't play to win. That leads to cheating or griefing, which quitting is sometimes considered as.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove, and who you're trying to prove it to; but this is getting ridiculous. We're not talking about sandbaggers; we're talking about people who resign when they don't feel they can turn a match around anymore.

Even your professional athletes will sometimes, despite what they say on the press conferences, not play to win if they figure saving their strength for the next match and avoiding injuries is more important to their league effort than the result of this one particular match. Besides, smurfing very definitely does go on even in your "athletic sports". You know how teams, when playing an (on paper) lower-rated opponent will often rest out their top players, and play with the B-team?

A team or a player that "play to win" 24/7 will never win anything - they'll be beaten out by those smart enough to think strategically and not tire themselves out meaninglessly to win the match only to proceed to then losing the tournament because their next opponents were fresher.

Its the same type of mentality, if you don't care about the game you don't care about the game. If you aren't playing to improve yourself, your not playing to improve yourself. If you aren't playing to win you aren't playing to win.

Yes and just like professional athletes I also can criticize myself and say you should never resign even though I resign 80% of my losses. That is because i'm willing ot admit I don't have the mental fortitude. I'm too emotional. I believe it is easier to condition yourself when you are younger rather then when you are my age. So people should try to follow the correct advice of almost every coach, streamer and chessbook, and pro athlete, sooner rather then later.

Everyone who plays chess regularly, cares about the game - otherwise they would be doing something else.