Why do women get different medals? WGM or simply GM?

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Charlotte

yeah

Elizabeth_Teri_Baker
farting_bunny wrote:

Speaking of titles, we have WGM,GM,IM,NM,FM. Here are a few more titles to join the alphabet soup of titles...

In the USA

SM = State Master

CM = County Master

PM = Parish Master (for those Cajuns)

TM = Township Master

In Canada,

PM = Provincial Master

MM = Municipality Master

CM = County Master (in Ontario)

In Brazil,

RM = Region Master

SM = State Master

MM = Muncipio Master

fM = Flavela Master

etc etc etc, you see where I am going with this. Each country would have their own internal ladder system. As you get better or your opponents getting worse, your rating would progress to the next level. Once they reach NM which is national master, all would funnel in to the worldwide FIDE rating system.

Regional Master?? Damn! If SA had titles like that I would be a RM (: Got Regional clothes but no title

Rasparovov
Doggy_Style wrote:
Rasparovov wrote:
trevbot wrote:

 I wasn't arguing that women are more physically capable than men, I was suggesting a reason as to why there tend to be more "good" female tennis players. 

Did I get it wrong or are you saying there tend to be more good female tennis players? I believe the top 100 tennis players are all men. 

The gulf in ability, between the sexes, is far greater in tennis, than in chess.

That's my point.

Gil-Gandel

Yeah, I'm not really sure what point trevbot was making - not, I presume, that there is a higher proportion of women who are above the median female ability in tennis, still less that the best tennis players are women. Perhaps he means a higher proportion of the female population can actually play tennis to acceptable standard (because women are more prone than men to take up the sport in the first place), and he is very possibly right for all I know differently, but I don't see where this is taking the argument. (As in "logically reasoned discussion seeking to establish a conclusion", not "shouting match")

Alec89
cena_warrior wrote:

but i don't think i've yet seen a woman become Super GM or become the World Champion as yet.. will there be one someday?? who knows..

You overlooked Judit Polgar she's the only one to ever become a Super GM.

Elizabeth_Teri_Baker

Harlem Shake!!! Cool

HaydenPanettiere
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Louzada_A

"In Brazil,

RM = Region Master

SM = State Master

MM = Muncipio Master

fM = Flavela Master"

There is no such thing. 

Elizabeth_Teri_Baker

NM = Nutella Master

AxeChess960
Nimzo33 wrote:

I probably going off the mark here, but you do know that there are women who are simply called grandmasters, right? WGM and Women Gms are two different things.

 

What do you mean???

 

 

seshaww

As a female chess player myself the best way I can explain this is: the females-only titles were made to give more women encouragement to play chess. I personally think that it is kind of sexist. I believe chess should not be separated by gender. Males and females are no different intellectually. The females-only titles are lower ranked than their gender-neutral counterparts, and this is where the sexism of these titles comes in. These females-only titles are completely separate titles from the open ones, and there is a difference between a WGM and a female GM. A female GM would, of course, play at GM strength, but a WGM would play around strong FM or weak IM strength, why? Because they are different titles. But the simplest way I can put it is: Females-only titles were made to give female chess players like me encouragement to play chess. At least that’s what I think, although I think now it’s just sexist. I’d be plenty encouraged to play chess, even without these titles. Because chess is amazing 😂

seshaww
Alec89 wrote:
cena_warrior wrote:

but i don't think i've yet seen a woman become Super GM or become the World Champion as yet.. will there be one someday?? who knows..

You overlooked Judit Polgar she's the only one to ever become a Super GM.

Yes I’m pretty sure super GM is 2700 or higher, her peak was 2735, she’s the only female super GM I know of.

seshaww

😅 my reason probably isn’t that good

llama47

Judit was also in the top 10, so yeah, she was a super GM.

The 3 sisters agreed that Sophia was the most talented, but she quit before she even got the GM title. She (Sophia) had something like a 2900 performance rating in one tournament at the age of 14.

binomine
Gil-Gandel wrote:
trevbot wrote:

The notion that a woman has less intellectual or logical capacity than a male in completely ridiculous. The idea that a woman needs to be a WGM as opposed to a GM (or any other differentiation based on sex) is ludicrous.


1) True up to a point, but there is suggestive evidence that at the very top end of human achievement in fields such as chess, mathematics, science and so on, men do predominate. (Notwithstanding any number of women who could kick my @ss in any of those fields.)

IDK, I feel that Marie Curie reigns supreme in science. She is the only person in history to receive a Nobel Prize in two separate science categories(Chemistry and Physics).

BISHOP_e3

llama47
BISHOP_e3 wrote:

 

 

 

seshaww
llama47 wrote:

Judit was also in the top 10, so yeah, she was a super GM.

The 3 sisters agreed that Sophia was the most talented, but she quit before she even got the GM title. She (Sophia) had something like a 2900 performance rating in one tournament at the age of 14.

Wow, then there’s me, the same age, with 300 ELO :/

Deagull

It's a relic from a time when women were believed as lesser given the current social climate there are some people who justify it as a way to encourage more women to participate. I've seen people state that this is unfair towards men as they don't have the option to get said title however think of how insulting it is I mean it's easier to obtain which, atleast towards me, seems like an incinuation that women are worse. Furthermore at a certain point title is worthless as a source of denoting achievements in my opinion once you reach the title of IM rating and records seem to be the determining factor in deciding whose the better player. I'd argue I'm an unbiased source here as I'm Agender so I have nothing to gain or lose from these titles.

oooBASTIooo
Deagull wrote:

It's a relic from a time when women were believed as lesser [..]"

 

Women are less capable at high levels. Period. In chess it is plain obvious from looking at rankings. There was only 1 female chess player who made it into the top 10 of players during her time and that woman dominated the female circuit since she was 12. 

Political correctness seems to not work well with some people's thought processes...

 

If you level the playing field, women will disappear from most competitions. At this moment, the highest ranking woman is not even in the top 50 and there is a 12 year old boy who would rank 11 in the (adult) women's circuit and first in the women's junior circuit if he was a girl.

 

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