Why do women have their own niche carved out in the chess world?

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Gamificast

I completely agree with the above two posts. Custody of kids almost always favours the woman, but that's more to do with societal biases that most judges have rather than what the law says - they assume that women are better at raising kids and need protection from violent men.

Also, I'm aware that there are exceptions to generalizations - that's why I said "most of the time". Everyone is different, and it is dangerous to assume, but there are trends.

It's good to see that there are a lot of wise, smart people in this topic that can criticize my comments without being nasty about it. I like that.

razzarainbow

Women invented God to forgive them their sins ,and look what happened to him ,lol

razzarainbow

On the subject of equality ,there are currently a plethera of sexual and race biased laws to help support previously discriminated against groups ,

The list of such groups are well known ,including the gender bias ,I,m no genius but it seems to me that" Two wrongs don,t make a right" ,But I consider myself a liberal and even if I disagree vehemently with a persons point of view ,I would nonetheless( somewhat reluctantly,albeit) canvas for them to have the right to express their point without obstruction,.

Gamificast
krudsparov wrote

Fair comment but in law women are automatically give full parental rights which men have less of ( unless a court says different (v rarely ) ). a woman can even decide not to put the fathers name on the birth certificate denying him of almost all his rights at a stroke, that can't happen in reverse.

Really? I didn't know that. You learn something new every day I guess.

The next time someone tells me women are "oppressed", I'll tell them about that unfair law. Maybe that will shut them up. happy.png

razzarainbow

I myself have Irish Republican roots as do all Irishmen and women ,On Twitter I,m a Spurs fan,another lady whom I "tweet ,with ,her sn is a young cadet in the British Army ,we dicussed our opinions tactfully without forsaking our ground ,She gave me an added edge and impetus to "Jaw not War' I don,t want to see any other English young men remembered on 11-11 We should always take time to figure out where our opponents are really coming from to understand better why we should kill each other in the first place

razzarainbow

The soldiers mothers last tweet was A woman retires at 60 ,a man at 65 How is that equality .? Moral if your blind to begin with all the statutes in the book can,t cure myopia

Gamificast
krudsparov wrote:

On the subject of equality ,there are currently a plethera of sexual and race biased laws to help support previously discriminated against groups!!!!!

This is the problem, in supporting previously discriminated against groups they're just discriminating in reverse, the answer's simple, treat everyone equally and fairly, easier said than done I know but it's the only way.

Totally true. Some people don't understand this though for some reason.

razzarainbow

It all boils down to how much shit your willng to take ,Do you let the bully swagger at your expense or the shrew to cut of your cochanos ,or do you say to yourself what am I doing here,You may find yourself with a beautiful wife...and as the days go bye :-)

razzarainbow

Man sitting with bowl of spaggetti on his head ,replies 'With great respect Samantha ,that dosn't invalidate the logic of my argument'

AnnaEA

Ah, and we've strayed off topic.  Switching this to the off topic forum.  

nimzomalaysian

Lol this is not an off topic thread. The moderation needs some moderation!

DjonniDerevnja

Titles do matter. A nice title is the certification needed to attract chesspupils. I know a WIM that does a lot tutoring/coaching. She is good, and this WIM title  makes it possible to survive as a coach/teacher. 

ilikewindmills
I think they should remove the whole women exclusive thing, and not just in chess. Tennis, basketball, soccer, cricket etc., and even online games need to promote equality.
SonOfThunder2

Not really

RenegadeChessist
alexm2310 wrote:
Would the prestigious FM title not serve the same purpose Djonni?

This is my question as well.

DjonniDerevnja

Alex, FM is good too, but WIM is 100 ratingpoints cheaper,  and it sounds nice. I have used WIM Sheila Barth Sahl and GM Vladimir Georgiev for some hours of personal training. Both were very good for me.

DjonniDerevnja
ilikewindmills wrote:
I think they should remove the whole women exclusive thing, and not just in chess. Tennis, basketball, soccer, cricket etc., and even online games need to promote equality.

Women are buildt for ca 10% less speed than men, and they are ca 10% lighter.  I think they should play soccer on 10% shorter fields, maybe with one player less. 

razzarainbow

why not just give women soccer players a ball an elastic band sown in ,so they don't get dispossessed ?

Griffith1211
ilikewindmills wrote:
I agree with OP. Women are as good as men in every way, the fact that a man tops chess is probably because women are feeling discriminated against as they can get 200 lower and be a GM. That makes them discouraged and thinking that they're not good enough to get to the top.

That just isn't true though, on average, I would argue that women are smarter than men, but at the tippy top, men always come out on top. You have to learn to be objective. 

Griffith1211
TRextastic wrote:

I'm going to assume from your post history that you're not trolling. Trolling or not, it's an ignorant post. Considering several women have achieved the title of Grandmaster (not just WGM), obviously women are capable of competing at the highest level. I really can't get over how ignorant your post is. Do you really have no idea what's going on in the world?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women_of_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_India#Crimes_against_women

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States#Demographics

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/12/world/asia/india-women-challenge/

http://counterjihad.com/women

Pay close attention to the last one as it points out that even women who live in societies where they are equal under the law, still face discrimination. You question is just evidence of how diluted some men are. Why don't you look at the fact that in many countries, women are not given the same opportunities. They don't get to go to school. Many are abandoned or killed. Many are oppressed and victims of horrid crimes through no fault of their own.

So no, women don't have their own titles because (as you underhandedly stated) they're not smart enough to beat men. In many ways men are smarter. And in many ways women are smarter. Women have their own titles because we simply need more women to be involved in things like chess. We need to encourage young girls to learn. We need to give them role models that display the value of intelligence and critical thinking, in a world that tells them their value is based in their appearance.

But doing that is acting as if they aren't smart enough to compete with men so they are given a little boost. It is like participation trophies, the notion is thoughtful but it's just a stupid idea.