Why does nobody use the Ponzaini?
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DrDillPickle12
Jul 7, 2023
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#1
It’s very powerful if done right.
Jul 7, 2023
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#3
You’re a 300 stop acting like you understand principles and tactics I’m an 1100 and I don’t understand principles and tactics
DrDillPickle12 wrote:
It’s very powerful if done right.
Maybe no one does it right.
DrDillPickle12 wrote:
It’s very powerful if done right.
No. Not at all. At the 300 level, people keep blundering pieces everywhere they go. It happens at my level, and I’m 900. You’re not winning because you play the Ponziani. You’re winning because people are stupid.
If it’s powerful if done right, why doesn’t Carlsen use it? Liren? Nakamura? Giri? And hundreds of other grandmasters.
The Ponziani itself is quite dubious. Its traps are laughable and c3 not only blocks in the knight, but if you get d5, you aren’t playing d4- the entire point of c3. So, you basically sabotaged your queenside knight and avoided development for no reason whatsoever. Honestly, at the 300 level, I would recommend the Ruy over the Ponziani. However, ultimately, I think beginners should be playing the Scotch, one of my favorite e4 openings.
TheSampson wrote:
DrDillPickle12 wrote:
It’s very powerful if done right.
No. Not at all. At the 300 level, people keep blundering pieces everywhere they go. It happens at my level, and I’m 900. You’re not winning because you play the Ponziani. You’re winning because people are stupid.
If it’s powerful if done right, why doesn’t Carlsen use it? Liren? Nakamura? Giri? And hundreds of other grandmasters.
The Ponziani itself is quite dubious. Its traps are laughable and c3 not only blocks in the knight, but if you get d5, you aren’t playing d4- the entire point of c3. So, you basically sabotaged your queenside knight and avoided development for no reason whatsoever. Honestly, at the 300 level, I would recommend the Ruy over the Ponziani. However, ultimately, I think beginners should be playing the Scotch, one of my favorite e4 openings.
I definitely agree with you on this, the only problem is that e4 openings lead to other openings like the Silican, Caro-Kann, or French, and if a beginner gets tangled up in these, it could be a problem.
MarioParty4 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
DrDillPickle12 wrote:
It’s very powerful if done right.
No. Not at all. At the 300 level, people keep blundering pieces everywhere they go. It happens at my level, and I’m 900. You’re not winning because you play the Ponziani. You’re winning because people are stupid.
If it’s powerful if done right, why doesn’t Carlsen use it? Liren? Nakamura? Giri? And hundreds of other grandmasters.
The Ponziani itself is quite dubious. Its traps are laughable and c3 not only blocks in the knight, but if you get d5, you aren’t playing d4- the entire point of c3. So, you basically sabotaged your queenside knight and avoided development for no reason whatsoever. Honestly, at the 300 level, I would recommend the Ruy over the Ponziani. However, ultimately, I think beginners should be playing the Scotch, one of my favorite e4 openings.
I definitely agree with you on this, the only problem is that e4 openings lead to other openings like the Silican, Caro-Kann, or French, and if a beginner gets tangled up in these, it could be a problem.
Not if he does basic studying. You don’t have to play the Open Sicilian, the Advance Caro, the Nc3 French or anything. You can just simplify with, idk, the Alapin, the Exchange Caro, or the Exchange French. Admittedly, the prior options are much more fun to play, but the latter require less studying so you can focus on your main repertoire- and you don’t have to tangle yourself in all of that theory.
The Ponziani is kind of meh. It’s not bad or anything, it’s just not particularly good. Black can pretty much equalize instantly, and even gets some very good attacking chances with an immediate d5. c3 is kind of a weird move for white because while it sets up d4 aiming for an attack on the center, it isn’t a very good attack on the center, since white will just be behind in development and will he pretty much scrambling to find a defense if black chooses to counterattack in the center, or even strike in the center immediately. Plus d4 can be played immediately anyway, leading to the Scotch, which is better for white
Jul 7, 2023
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@TheSampson
I disagree completely. The Ponziani is very effective at -2000 level, and even more so at -1000 level. GMs don’t play it as it doesn’t yield an advantage against perfect engine preparation, but few -2000s know the theory, and practically zero do under 1k. The reason the Ponziani is great at beginner level is because it is very aggressive and tactical, one false move by black and white gets a significant advantage. That’s exactly what you are looking for at beginner and intermediate level.
I disagree completely. The Ponziani is very effective at -2000 level, and even more so at -1000 level. GMs don’t play it as it doesn’t yield an advantage against perfect engine preparation, but few -2000s know the theory, and practically zero do under 1k. The reason the Ponziani is great at beginner level is because it is very aggressive and tactical, one false move by black and white gets a significant advantage. That’s exactly what you are looking for at beginner and intermediate level.
warlard69420 wrote:
1...c5 kills 1.e4
you’re drunk, go to sleep
8thMarch2023 wrote:
I think it's important to play your own moves in the moment instead of using this or that.
you died out a month ago, it’s obvious you’re desperate
8thMarch2023 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
8thMarch2023 wrote:
I think it's important to play your own moves in the moment instead of using this or that.
you died out a month ago, it’s obvious you’re desperate
If you're going to grasp for straws pick pointier ones.
if you want to write a good book, stop repeating the same paragraph every time
The issue with the Ponziani is after d5 you have to bring out the queen, and then Black just kind of develops very slowly and is better because White can’t afford to create any weaknesses by attacking.
Jul 7, 2023
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#14
i encountered a lot of ponziani players lately. its not really a bad opening imo, if you play it correctly then it could be good. personally, i dont play it because c3 kinda kills the development of the b-square knight
Jul 7, 2023
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#15
This guy https://www.chess.com/member/ponz111 but don't go dissing the ponz, cuz I'm still blocked.
Jul 8, 2023
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#17
warlard69420 wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
warlard69420 wrote:
1...c5 kills 1.e4
you’re drunk, go to sleep
1...c5 kills 1.e4, that's a fact regardless of my blood alcohol content, bud.
Not relevant. Why does this always happen in forum threads about some specific opening? Someone inevitably tosses in a comment about some other opening no one asked about. Next, I suppose someone will pop in with, "Just play 1.d4 and you won't have to worry about e4 openings again!"
They do not like losing--mic drop!
SoupSailor72 wrote:
@TheSampson
I disagree completely. The Ponziani is very effective at -2000 level, and even more so at -1000 level. GMs don’t play it as it doesn’t yield an advantage against perfect engine preparation, but few -2000s know the theory, and practically zero do under 1k. The reason the Ponziani is great at beginner level is because it is very aggressive and tactical, one false move by black and white gets a significant advantage. That’s exactly what you are looking for at beginner and intermediate level.
I disagree completely. The Ponziani is very effective at -2000 level, and even more so at -1000 level. GMs don’t play it as it doesn’t yield an advantage against perfect engine preparation, but few -2000s know the theory, and practically zero do under 1k. The reason the Ponziani is great at beginner level is because it is very aggressive and tactical, one false move by black and white gets a significant advantage. That’s exactly what you are looking for at beginner and intermediate level.
It wasn't that great even before computers!
8thMarch2023 wrote:
Chessflyfisher wrote:
SoupSailor72 wrote:
@TheSampson
I disagree completely. The Ponziani is very effective at -2000 level, and even more so at -1000 level. GMs don’t play it as it doesn’t yield an advantage against perfect engine preparation, but few -2000s know the theory, and practically zero do under 1k. The reason the Ponziani is great at beginner level is because it is very aggressive and tactical, one false move by black and white gets a significant advantage. That’s exactly what you are looking for at beginner and intermediate level.
I disagree completely. The Ponziani is very effective at -2000 level, and even more so at -1000 level. GMs don’t play it as it doesn’t yield an advantage against perfect engine preparation, but few -2000s know the theory, and practically zero do under 1k. The reason the Ponziani is great at beginner level is because it is very aggressive and tactical, one false move by black and white gets a significant advantage. That’s exactly what you are looking for at beginner and intermediate level.
It wasn't that great even before computers!
Theory is useless.
Chess is better played on the fly.
And from what I can tell so far, 2000 is still very much beginner / pleb level (and by a margin of hundreds! )
bro’s actually tryna make a comeback 💀
you need to go to soccer practice, little timmy, you’ve been ditching it over chess.com trolling