why e4 is better than d4.

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chessredpanda wrote:

e4 leads to open positions almost always.Open positions tend to be easier to play than closed positions which happen a lot of the times in d4 openings.

Finally somebody said it.

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e4 leads to open positions was the first comment

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aronchuck wrote:

but it doesn't.  e4 leads to just as many closed and half open positions as 1. d4.  That e4 always leads to open positions is a complete fallacy.  

1. e4 e6 -  Now it's almost certainly going to be pretty closed already!  

Funny you should say that.  Because from my side of the French, you'd think it was a law that 2...d5 be met swiftly and without exception by 3.exd5.

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Why are people so concerned about comparing 1.e4 to 1.d4, when 1.c4 is clearly to greatest opining ever invinted!?

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Very few of us on this site can use an opening "advantage" to win. Most games are lost by a tactic... not the opening you play. Chess is chess. With that said, play what you are comfortable playing.

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BMeck wrote:

Very few of us on this site can use an opening "advantage" to win. Most games are lost by a tactic... not the opening you play. Chess is chess. With that said, play what you are comfortable playing.

Actually, I would argue that most games are lost by a blunder... but yes, I agree with the point that you're making.

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Even at a low level the opening advantage matters, almost everyone has a better score with white.

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macer75 wrote:
BMeck wrote:

Very few of us on this site can use an opening "advantage" to win. Most games are lost by a tactic... not the opening you play. Chess is chess. With that said, play what you are comfortable playing.

Actually, I would argue that most games are lost by a blunder... but yes, I agree with the point that you're making.

Well if you missed the tactic its a blunder lol

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I think BMeck is talking about the advantage of playing one opening vs another, rather than the inhernet opening advantage in playing white.

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BMeck wrote:
macer75 wrote:
BMeck wrote:

Very few of us on this site can use an opening "advantage" to win. Most games are lost by a tactic... not the opening you play. Chess is chess. With that said, play what you are comfortable playing.

Actually, I would argue that most games are lost by a blunder... but yes, I agree with the point that you're making.

Well if you missed the tactic its a blunder lol

But when you blunder it's not always because you missed a tactic (for ex. staight out dropping a piece).

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Scottrf wrote:

Even at a low level the opening advantage matters, almost everyone has a better score with white.

We are talking about two different things. I am not saying first move advantage, I am talking about "busted" openings being alright at our level

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Well, if a busted opening gives away your advantage I'd say it's not alright. Of course there are more swings backwards and forwards than at the top level, but not giving away even a small advantage matters.

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Scottrf wrote:

Well, if a busted opening gives away your advantage I'd say it's not alright. Of course there are more swings backwards and forwards than at the top level, but not giving away even a small advantage matters.

Most players have no clue they have just given away their "advantage"

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macer75 wrote:

I think BMeck is talking about the advantage of playing one opening vs another, rather than the inhernet opening advantage in playing white.

I think its a pretty fine line of difference if you say that, between amateurs, moving first is an advantage but the opening itself isnt.

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It's like if you compare two terrible steeplechasers. Of course the races may be decided by someone clattering a hurdle, but that's not to say that it doesn't matter that someone gets to start 10m ahead.

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Ubik42 wrote:
macer75 wrote:

I think BMeck is talking about the advantage of playing one opening vs another, rather than the inhernet opening advantage in playing white.

I think its a pretty fine line of difference if you say that, between amateurs, moving first is an advantage but the opening itself isnt.

That is exactly what I am saying. 

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I dont know about my fellow amateurs out there, but I have certainly won and lost games right out of the opening. It matters. Lots of stuff can matter.

I used to play the modern opening OTB, I gave up on it, but before I did I played and never understood it properly, and by around move 12-15 I would wind up in an utterly passive lost position. It wasnt missed tactics, it was just not knowing what to do with it.