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long_quach
Jul 6, 2023
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choobler wrote:

It is from the Persian “rukh” which is a chariot that (I think) is an elephant with a thing on it that looks like a castle. Eventually, the elephant was removed and we were left with only the castle (in chess).

Chariots are drawn by horses, not elephants.

Watch Ben Hur.

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long_quach
Jul 6, 2023
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long_quach wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

England colonized India. They could have re-familiarize themselves with Indian culture.

Englishmen colonized India in the 18th-19th centuries. Chess had been played in England since the 13th century. Was time travel involved in your "explanation" or are you just extremely ignorant?

Chronology is a weakness of "bro-science", i.e. my bro told me, and then I tell my bro, and then he tells his bro . . .

Trying to fix chronology.

The Game and Playe of the Chesse

William Caxton

1474

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/10672/pg10672-images.html#bk4ch6

Alphyn = elephant

Rook = rook

Obviously the lineage of chess in England

India > Persia > England

I can't read "Ebonics" in Caxton's book. I have to find a modern translation.

Hmm.

Quene = Queen

Queen is a modern name and not Vizier.

It is half old and half new.

Elephant is old, Queen is new.

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mpaetz
Jul 6, 2023
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long_quach wrote:

Obviously the lineage of chess in England

India > Persia > England

Wrong again. The lineage of chess in England is:

Norway and Denmark > England

The bit you have yet to explain is how the name of the piece got to Norway and Denmark.

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long_quach
Jul 6, 2023
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#344

Back to Bro-science.

I'm Catholic. The full name is Roman Catholic. We inherited the Roman Empire. More correctly the Western Roman Empire.

The Eastern Roman Empire is Greek. > Russia. Greek alphabet. Eastern Orthodox Church (straight teaching).

Some Russian names

Dmitri = Demeter

Oxana = xena (stranger), xenophobia = the fear of strangers

Irena = Irene = peace

Alexandra = Alexander

Elena = Helen

What if the Russian also inherited Greek collective memory?

The Trojan War.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-is-a-castle-called-a-rook?page=5#comment-89168407

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long_quach
Jul 6, 2023
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#345
mpaetz wrote:
 

Wrong again. The lineage of chess in England is:

Norway and Denmark > England

Damn it. I have to learn geography.

Charlton Heston fought the Muslims in Spain in the movie El Cid.

It's the other way.

Spain > France > England

Bro-science.

English is half French. Norman Invasion. 1066.

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long_quach
Jul 6, 2023
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#346
mpaetz wrote:
 

Wrong again. The lineage of chess in England is:

Norway and Denmark > England

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/queen#Etymology

queen is not

French, Latin

Arabic, Sanskrit

It is Denmark, Norway.

The word "king" too. It is not from French. It's from the other direction.

Hmm.

England was invaded from both directions.

Time to educate ourselves.

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Ziryab
Jul 6, 2023
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#347
long_quach wrote:

Da** it. I have to learn geography.

Among other things, but at least your posts are entertaining.

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mpaetz
Jul 6, 2023
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long_quach wrote:

English is half French. Norman Invasion. 1066.

The Normans were not French. They were Norsemen (from Scandinavia) that invaded Normandy, formed only a thin upper class, and during a dispute with other Norsemen who had taken over the rule of parts of England sailed over and captured the "English" vikings' kingdom. I don't believe Charlton Heston played any part in any of this.