So Ben Finegold can sing, "The rook, the rook, the rook is on fire!!"
Why is a castle called a rook?
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It is actually a tower, it clearly looks like a tower.
Kingarther wrote:
Why is a castle called a rook?can any one answer this, as a rook is a black bird what has this to do with castles.
It gets its name from an old word "roche" meaning "rock." Since castles were often built on rocky outcrops or resembled fortresses, they got associated with the rook piece, base on google bro
Jun 26, 2023
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#45
It's actually called a ro-ok because it has the castle move in it's name.
long_quach wrote:
Rook is the chariot.
This is just false. The rook was (and is) many different things in different countries and cultures. One of them is probably a chariot. Also elephant, mythical giant bird, bastion and other things.
@magipi
Go back to the original ancient Indian military.
long_quach wrote:
@magipi
Go back to the original ancient Indian military.
As I said, it was (and is) called different things in different countries. This is obvoiusly true.
@magipi
It's called the chariot in Chinese Chess.
車
That is a glyph of a chariot. 2 wheels, an axle, and a box.
You call it different names, in different times, in different countries.
The original is the chariot.
Jun 27, 2023
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magipi wrote:
long_quach wrote:
Rook is the chariot.
This is just false. The rook was (and is) many different things in different countries and cultures. One of them is probably a chariot. Also elephant, mythical giant bird, bastion and other things.
Even in India, it was sometimes a boat. This practice spread outside India. Sometimes the boat was what we now use as a rook, and there is a line of argument that traces the word rook to a word for boat. Sometimes the boat was what is now our bishop.
The variability of chess pieces through time and across space is staggering in its variety. A few snippets from the web with facile connections will never do it justice.
Image from Donald M. Liddell, Chessmen (1937).
Ziryab wrote:
Even in India, it was sometimes a boat.
Firstly, what is the original rook?
Just because it is called a "boat" doesn't mean it is a boat. Boats are synonymous with transportation.
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Shipping and handling.
They don't "ship" your product on a "ship". They "ship" your product on a truck, with wheels.
Like the word "shipping", it's a long game of "telephone" over space and time.
The original is the chariot.
Go back to the original message, before this game of "telephone" down the ages over distances across the globe.
Jun 27, 2023
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#54
You’ve made a lot of references to oral history, but have so far failed to show the ability to critically assess such material. Perhaps you could take a lesson from Alice Roberts. This paragraph is from her book on the Celts.
Ziryab wrote:
You’ve made a lot of references to oral history, but have so far failed to show the ability to critically assess such material.
Oral history has no material.
My bro told me, and then I told my bro, and he tells his bro, or his brotege . . .
Oral history is in the very words we speak.
"Shipping and handling."
We don't call it "trucking and handling". The word that we speak stuck.
Jun 27, 2023
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#56
long_quach wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
You’ve made a lot of references to oral history, but have so far failed to show the ability to critically assess such material.
Oral history has no material.
My bro told me, and then I told my bro, and he tells his bro, or his brotege . . .
Oral history is in the very words we speak.
"Shipping and handling."
We don't call it "trucking and handling". The word that we speak stuck.
Your ignorance is both broad and deep. You cannot even process what you wrote two days ago when you accurately described the Bible and Greek classics as rooted in oral history.
Orature (the term I prefer) has plenty of material. Texts, such as those Alice Roberts mentions, or Homer and the Bible, I call artifacts of orature. In contrast, stories told by and among my Nimiipuu friends are orature. This orature goes back centuries and is maintained today. The “telephone” game completely misses how communities pass on their stories because it assumes, incorrectly, that transmission is one-to-one, which of course allows many errors. Oral societies are communal. One-to-one transmission is not how they pass on their orature from one generation to the next.
Here is written history, not oral history.
車
That is a glyph of a chariot. 2 wheels, an axle, and a box.
馬
That is a glyph of a horse. 4 legs, 1, tail, and an exaggeration of a mane.
象
That is a glyph of an elephant. 4 legs, 1 tail, 2 big ears, and a trunk
"Now you know . . . and knowing is half the battle."
Why is a Rook called a Castle?
Ziryab wrote:
The “telephone” game completely misses how communities pass on their stories because it assumes, incorrectly, that transmission is one-to-one, which of course allows many errors. Oral societies are communal. One-to-one transmission is not how they pass on their orature from one generation to the next.
"Telephone" is a game of faulty transmission, you stupid.
Nobody assumes high fidelity in oral transmissions.
Then I go back to the question:
What is the "rook" before the game of faulty oral transmission?
According to H.J.R. Murray, rook is derived from rukh, which he asserts is Persian for chariot. Although others have challenged this view their counter assertions have shown less consistency with verifiable patterns.
Mr H. J. R. Murray must have had a sunstroke or something. The legendary rukh bird is the obvious explanation, not a chariot.