Why is studying chess so tedious and how can it be made more fun

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Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

Here is a book that teaches you a lot and reads fun: https://www.amazon.com/Neverending-Tactics-3003-Positions-Perfection-ebook/dp/B07GQ8KH9F

Only for people with trucks as the paperback weighs 5 pounds.

lfPatriotGames
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Here is a book that teaches you a lot and reads fun: https://www.amazon.com/Neverending-Tactics-3003-Positions-Perfection-ebook/dp/B07GQ8KH9F

Only for people with trucks as the paperback weighs 5 pounds.

That is probably the worst advice I have ever seen. Maybe you did not see the actual title to this topic. The question is how to make studying chess more fun, not more boring.  Do you really think a book you wrote that weighs 5 pounds is going to be "fun" to read??  I make studying chess fun because I know what people like.  I am NOT a good chess player, nor will I ever be. But I am good enough and smart enough to know that people will want to do something if its' presented in the right way.  You will never understand that, because you want people to think like you. You want people to believe what you believe. You will probably always be a better chess player than me, but I'll bet I will teach more people than you ever will.

Supatag

Have you considered that maybe Chess isn't for you? Back, long before the Internet was born, people used to spend months pouring over books. During school holidays, I'd hope to get through one or maybe two books of the old greats, reading the thoughts of the author and examining the positions on the board. Tedious never.

Someone earlier mentioned that they spend a lot of time time on Chesstempo. Chesstempo has been down for months.

IpswichMatt
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Here is a book that teaches you a lot and reads fun: https://www.amazon.com/Neverending-Tactics-3003-Positions-Perfection-ebook/dp/B07GQ8KH9F

Only for people with trucks as the paperback weighs 5 pounds.

That is probably the worst advice I have ever seen. Maybe you did not see the actual title to this topic. The question is how to make studying chess more fun, not more boring.  Do you really think a book you wrote that weighs 5 pounds is going to be "fun" to read??  I make studying chess fun because I know what people like.  I am NOT a good chess player, nor will I ever be. But I am good enough and smart enough to know that people will want to do something if its' presented in the right way.  You will never understand that, because you want people to think like you. You want people to believe what you believe. You will probably always be a better chess player than me, but I'll bet I will teach more people than you ever will.

So - in a nutshell, is that a "thumbs-up" or a "thumbs-down" from you for Lyudmil's book?

madratter7

ChessTempo has not been down for months. I have used it every day for the past couple of months.

aa175
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Here is a book that teaches you a lot and reads fun: https://www.amazon.com/Neverending-Tactics-3003-Positions-Perfection-ebook/dp/B07GQ8KH9F

Only for people with trucks as the paperback weighs 5 pounds.

That is probably the worst advice I have ever seen. Maybe you did not see the actual title to this topic. The question is how to make studying chess more fun, not more boring.  Do you really think a book you wrote that weighs 5 pounds is going to be "fun" to read??  I make studying chess fun because I know what people like.  I am NOT a good chess player, nor will I ever be. But I am good enough and smart enough to know that people will want to do something if its' presented in the right way.  You will never understand that, because you want people to think like you. You want people to believe what you believe. You will probably always be a better chess player than me, but I'll bet I will teach more people than you ever will.

Actually those are the types of books that many people like... at least he actually tells you what's inside and tells you how many examples there are...

Etherized

 "You will never understand that, because you want people to think like you. You want people to believe what you believe." I never thought I would see this quote coming from a how can you make chess more enjoyable thread... the whole point of this is asking how other people make it fun... so it can be more fun for the OP as well. seems to me like they (the OP) wants to think like them, so in my head naturally anyone saying this is how I enjoy it should want the op to believe what they believe. everything is subjective in nature though so riling up any tempers does no good if you don't agree with any given methods offered. 

 

Side note, I've added neverending tactics to my books to purchase list as thats the kind of thing that makes me happy =)

italy12w

To succeed in chess you have to possess almost all of the trait a human mind could actually fanthom i.e from underworld don to gandhi to mukesh ambani.

Luitpoldt

For those who find studying chess books tedious, why not try to learn from online programs instead?  I have found both Susan Polgar's online chess lessons and the online Dutch Steps Program to be relatively easy to absorb, since they are divided into short lessons and presented in a user-friendly way.

CelticG

I'm not sure I'd want to learn something that I consider to be 'tedious', especially if nobody was forcing  me to do it!  But anything that is worth learning is not going to be easy. If that were the case, nobody would really push themselves to learn anything. So perhaps you've taken up the wrong hobby, and you should choose something else. I'm new to chess, but I'm finding the learning process fascinating. :-)

madratter7

 While I largely agree with DeidreSkye about this, I do think that if you want to get really good, there are going to be times things can be frustrating, tedious, etc.

In particular, I agree with DiedreSkye that some people are probably not so much passionate about chess as they are about just the "thrill of the game".

While I'm not very good at chess, I do really like the game and have played it since I was a child. While I really like Yusupov and recommend him, I do find some of his chapters downright tedious. For example, I did not care for the mate in 2 chapter one bit. The problems were composed, not like what you would find in a game and finding the answers was a grind. I prevailed through it because I do enjoy learning about chess in general, do enjoy playing the game, and realized that there was a purpose to what he was teaching me. Likewise, I found the chapter I just did on Queen and King vs King and Pawn endgames rather frustrating. Again I prevailed through it because I see the value of learning about chess in a methodical way. And I saw the value of the chapter as a whole even if some of the exceptions and such were rather maddening. Eventually it did click. And I found that very rewarding.

Let me switch to two examples of things that I am passionate about and I AM reasonably good.

I play guitar well enough that I play in front of hundreds of people at a time. I'm no Tommy Emmanuel or Jimmy Page but I hold my own at what I do. You don't get good at guitar without some pain/tedium. When you first start to learn, you haven't developed calluses, and it can be rather painful. Likewise when learning Barre Chords, you need to develop enough hand strength so you can do them without buzzing, unclear notes, etc. To this day, after I have played many hours over a weekend, my hands feel it. But I love what I do so I continue on.

Likewise I'm world class at what I do at work and I'm passionate about it. But sometimes there is tedium involved and you just have to do it.

While I get the  "Follow your passion" idea, it has a danger to it. You flit around from one thing to the next simply because the going gets hard and yes a bit tedious for a bit, and so "that must not be my passion." The end result is you end up never getting good at anything.

I don't know if PVDE has a lack of passion, or he just has hit a rough spot. Only he really can say for sure.

While there are times I find studying particular things about chess tedious, the section where DiedreSkye writes about looking at new books really resonates with me. And chess as a whole is rewarding and at times very beautiful.

 

Myrms1
pdve wrote:

Typically, I will pick up a middlegame book go through the first 15 moves or so then I feel like a feeling of being saturated. So I think I will do somthing that requires less effort and so I start playing blitz games. I am really slowing down my improvement by not studying theory but it seems hard to do. can anybody relate to this?

 

 

 

Yes, I can relate to this.  I find that my proiblem is that I try to do too much for too long.  I’ll spenf 4 or 5 hours straight reading chess books, studying moves etc, without taking a break.  I find it easier to take regular short breaks rather than plugging at it for hours on end without a break. 

CelticG

I tried to learn the guitar, but I must admit I gave up because of all the pain. I really love the instrument, but obviously not enough to suffer for it. :-) I'm now learning the mandolin. My partner has been learning Flamenco guitar for many years and he's had to suffer all the pain but he plays pretty well now. 

camter
Supatag wrote:

Have you considered that maybe Chess isn't for you? Back, long before the Internet was born, people used to spend months pouring over books. During school holidays, I'd hope to get through one or maybe two books of the old greats, reading the thoughts of the author and examining the positions on the board. Tedious never.

Someone earlier mentioned that they spend a lot of time time on Chesstempo. Chesstempo has been down for months.

Water regularly.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Here is a book that teaches you a lot and reads fun: https://www.amazon.com/Neverending-Tactics-3003-Positions-Perfection-ebook/dp/B07GQ8KH9F

Only for people with trucks as the paperback weighs 5 pounds.

That is probably the worst advice I have ever seen. Maybe you did not see the actual title to this topic. The question is how to make studying chess more fun, not more boring.  Do you really think a book you wrote that weighs 5 pounds is going to be "fun" to read??  I make studying chess fun because I know what people like.  I am NOT a good chess player, nor will I ever be. But I am good enough and smart enough to know that people will want to do something if its' presented in the right way.  You will never understand that, because you want people to think like you. You want people to believe what you believe. You will probably always be a better chess player than me, but I'll bet I will teach more people than you ever will.

Don't see the relation between book size and contents, do you?

A 5-pound book might be funny and 2-ounces one boring or vice-versa.

Is it possible you are so damned simple?

Paperback now at only 15, go get it until Amazon ups again.

Btw., this is very much different from The Secret of Chess.

Much easier to read, but the real knowledge is in the first book.

Whatever.

In 100 years' time, people will know.

My fault is I wrote it all too early...

Do you understand the language of much more advanced civilisations?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Etherized wrote:

 "You will never understand that, because you want people to think like you. You want people to believe what you believe." I never thought I would see this quote coming from a how can you make chess more enjoyable thread... the whole point of this is asking how other people make it fun... so it can be more fun for the OP as well. seems to me like they (the OP) wants to think like them, so in my head naturally anyone saying this is how I enjoy it should want the op to believe what they believe. everything is subjective in nature though so riling up any tempers does no good if you don't agree with any given methods offered. 

 

Side note, I've added neverending tactics to my books to purchase list as thats the kind of thing that makes me happy =)

And that's the type of post that makes me happy. happy.png

irish65

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

Well put, I'm not sure how we got to the point where we have to belittle and ridicule people.  I was hoping for lots of little tidbits that people use to make chess more enjoyable but instead read many negative comments.

Daniel1115

I think you may be reading the wrong type of books. I. would recommend starting with My System for positional play

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
irish65 wrote:

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

Well put, I'm not sure how we got to the point where we have to belittle and ridicule people.  I was hoping for lots of little tidbits that people use to make chess more enjoyable but instead read many negative comments.

Hello.

Everything you love is enjoyable.

If you want to be GM and love it and put the effort, you will become one.

The point is, people don't want to study chess, they don't want to read books and solve problems, and

still they want to learn something...

You should like what you do and you should put the effort.

No shortcuts.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Daniel1115 wrote:

I think you may be reading the wrong type of books. I. would recommend starting with My System for positional play

Chess engines are very important and fun.

Take free SF, take a game, and go through the game with it, looking at the moves it suggests.

Very quick, relatively accurate and definitely a fun.

You will learn a lot this way.