Why is this a draw?

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I saw this game - a draw - (black to move). I don't understand why they decided to drawn

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ummm, Black can't make any real progress, that's why it's a draw.

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White seems a touch better, with better coordination and an extra pawn but black's queen constantly attacking the white pawns and threatening possible checks on the king probably make a win impossible for white. His rook and knight are doing a good job trapping the king but it's unfortunately not quite enough to seriously threaten any kind of mate.

White certainly could have played on though, and stalemate tricks like ...Qg1+?? Kxg1 h2+ (with the king moved h2 is now free!) Kh1! (or even Kg2) don't work here.

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Well, there certainly is drawing potential.

 

I don't see why anyone would argue with this outcome...Looks pretty difficult for both players, and perhaps neither wanted to put a lot of energy into a likely drawed game.

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in the 50 th move knight shud hav gone to f5 posing fork to both king and queen

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@laskerfan: ...Qb1 is better, keeping an eye on the b file and otherwise doing the same thing as ...Qd3.

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I feel like white should beable to win from this position, i'm sure it's not an easy win.

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kingrider wrote:

in the 50 th move knight shud hav gone to f5 posing fork to both king and queen


What game are you looking at?

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Yeah, I'd make black prove it.  In the position after my 52.Kg3 black may very well have a draw, but it would be a tortuous draw and I feel like the practical chances lie with white.

 

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The computer only thinks white is slighty better, but since there are more than 6 pieces on the board it's probably not something to trust.

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Elubas wrote:

The computer only thinks white is slighty better, but since there are more than 6 pieces on the board it's probably not something to trust.


Definitely.  Just playing this out against myself / analysing, black keeps getting into trouble.  Especially if you were up on time, this would definitely be worth playing out as white.

Although if my opponent were rated 500 higher, and I had a minute left and he offered me a draw like a wimp... I'd probably chicken out and accept Smile

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chesswiz625 wrote:

Well, there certainly is drawing potential.

 

I don't see why anyone would argue with this outcome...Looks pretty difficult for both players, and perhaps neither wanted to put a lot of energy into a likely drawed game.


Erhm after Qd6 in your analysis Knight can fork black king and queen with Nf5!!

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playing it out vs the computer-- rybka makes the draw look trivial (although it's evaluation is ignorable).  I even walked into a mate in 3 as white lol