29. Rxh7
Why is white better here?
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Just look at white. He is Mamedyarov. That position is hopeless against him. How would you even proceed?
I completely agree with Fiveofswords lol among weaker players black might even have winning chances here lol. In SGM level chess black doesn't have a prayer of winning.
26...Qxd7 27 Rc7 Qd8 28.Rg7+ Kf8 29.Rxh7
Even though this sequence wins 1 pawn for white. I believe it isn't the reason he resigned. The fact is white has a commanding position and doesn't even need to take the pawn right away. He can consolidate even further and build more pressure on black. Taking the h7 pawn even though wins 1 pawn may give black the chance to play Rac8 taking control of the c file. I do not believe Mamedyarov would allow that. I believe he would play 29.Rdc1 building more pressure on the c file. Than the threat of taking on h7 is more favorable.
Thanks for the insights!
I really need to work on positional understanding so this was helpful.
hayabusahayate16 wrote:
Lmao! that would let black solve his problems quickly with ...Re7. Rxh7 is not just a win of a pawn it opens the h file threatens Qe3 and tactically makes ...Re7 undesirable as it drops the bishop. Besides that after 29.Rxh7 Rac8 30.Qe3 black is busted.
I'm sorry I made a typo before I didn't mean 29.Rcd1
I mean 28.Rcd1
The line I typed was in response to other people line of taking on h7. I liked the idea of just letting the h7 pawn stay their and playing Rcd1. Keeping control of the C file.
We will never know what he was planning to play becuase black resigned moves before. Maybe he would of played Rxh7 or Qe3 maybe not. Alot of move's that can be played.
hayabusahayate16 wrote:
he would have played Rg7+ and Rxh7. the point of controlling a file is to invade on the seventh and eighth ranks. No need to enforce control of a file when one has already invaded, its better to enforce control of the seventh rank which is done by Rg7+ and Rxh7 because otherwise black will contest the rank with ...Re7 when we either trade or retreat, either way we have relinquished most of our advantage.
After white doubles his rooks on the File even if black plays Re7 would not matter white does not have to trade. He can let black trade if anything. He will maintain the file for sure.
I guess we will never know what Mamedyarov would have played. I have seen some of his games and I will admit he can be a very good positional player as well as Dynamic player. So it would of been interesting to see which approach he went with. I believe both ways can be winning for white. Maybe one has more excitement than the other lol.
hayabusahayate16 wrote:
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
hayabusahayate16 wrote:
he would have played Rg7+ and Rxh7. the point of controlling a file is to invade on the seventh and eighth ranks. No need to enforce control of a file when one has already invaded, its better to enforce control of the seventh rank which is done by Rg7+ and Rxh7 because otherwise black will contest the rank with ...Re7 when we either trade or retreat, either way we have relinquished most of our advantage.
After white doubles his rooks on the File even if black plays Re7 would not matter white does not have to trade. He can let black trade if anything. He will maintain the file for sure.
I guess we will never know what Mamedyarov. I have seen some of his games and I will admit he can be a very good positional player as well as Dynamic player. So it would of been interesting to see which approach he went with. I believe both ways can be winning for white. Maybe one has more excitement than the other lol.
white would certainly have an advantage doubling rooks but the other line is a quick death for black. Just analyse the position for a bit and tell me how black keeps fighting after Rg7+ and Rxh7.
Well it is a very nice line you mention. I guess we will never know. I know I have seen some GM games and than checked them with engines and the engines give a crushing line and the GM's never play it. They still win but with another continuation.
It would of been interesting to see what would of happen next for sure. I have to admit I have been liking some of Mamedyarov game's. I have seen almost 5-6 of his games. An I think I am starting to be one of his chess fan's lol.
Colin20G wrote:
White just played 26.Bxd7 and Black resigned. Maybe the game would have continued with: 26...Qxd7 27 Rc7 Qd8 28.Rg7+ Kf8. But then apart having a weak king I don't see why black has to stop...
Here's the whole game if you're curious:
At the GM level black is lost. But at our level, black can safely play on.
Whites advantages:
Space advantage
Piece activity
Control of the c-file
Dark square weaknesses around blacks king
Black has weak pawns on b7/d6, and possible weaknesses on h7/g6.
White will invade blacks 7th rank
hayabusahayate16 wrote:
I_Am_Second wrote:
Colin20G wrote:
White just played 26.Bxd7 and Black resigned. Maybe the game would have continued with: 26...Qxd7 27 Rc7 Qd8 28.Rg7+ Kf8. But then apart having a weak king I don't see why black has to stop...
Here's the whole game if you're curious:
At the GM level black is lost. But at our level, black can safely play on.
Whites advantages:
Space advantage
Piece activity
Control of the c-file
Dark square weaknesses around blacks king
Black has weak pawns on b7/d6, and possible weaknesses on h7/g6.
White will invade blacks 7th rank
The positional elements are irrelevant here. If you take a moment to look after white recaptures the bishop and white plays Rc7 Rg7+ and Rxh7 you will notice that white has a plethora of threatened queen invasions. The queen can go e3-h6, f3-×b7, b5-d7 etc etc and black can't attend to all of these factors as well as his awkward bishop on h4 which makes his task even more difficult. This is a fairly straight forward forced win for white so I dont understand all of the "winning for a master but playable for a patzer" sentiments. I would beat any player in the world from this position and I'm barely even strong enough to be even considered a patzer.
My explanation was for the OP, so he would have a better understanding of the question he asked.
White just played 26.Bxd7 and Black resigned. Maybe the game would have continued with: 26...Qxd7 27 Rc7 Qd8 28.Rg7+ Kf8. But then apart having a weak king I don't see why black has to stop...
Here's the whole game if you're curious: