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Why most of the great chess players are jews?
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denner90 wrote:
excellent post!
Thank you denner.
This subject of jewish chess talent has been in my mind for 2-3 months.
Finally, I decided to get the opinion of other chess.com members.
But, I haven't thought this thread grow fast.
In my opinion, jews are good in not only chess, but also science, inventions, business etc.
Benjamin Graham(Father of investing) & Einstein are the bright proofs . Also majority of Nobel laureates are jews.
Pls visit www.jinfo.org.
Thank you all for your comments.
MISTERGQ wrote:
real_tzs wrote:
MISTERGQ wrote:
There are no significant biological differences in Jews than in any other socially constructed group of humans.
So would you explain the high rate of Tay-Sachs disease in Ashkenazi Jews as being due to them having a supportive community that comes together for friends and family? Same for Neimann-Pick disease. Or Familial dysautonomia? Gaucher's disease?
Non-Significant difference. Those are just hereditary traits. Nothing to do with people being superior to others. I didn't say there weren't genetic differences, but that there were no significant differences.
IE meaning that no genetic difference is responsible for an ethnic jew to be better at chess than another. To say otherwise is bad science and racist.
Intelligence is a hereditary trait to a significant extent. Several of the recessive genetic diseases that are very overrepresented in the Ashkenazi operate by messing with neural growth and function. Some have as one of their effects increased neural connectivity, which some studies have shown to be associated with higher intelligence.
There is speculation that people who carry but do not have these diseases may still get some of the good effects (like enhanced neural connectivity). More research is needed.
all non africans have 2-4% Neanderthal DNA and 4-6% Denisovian DNA. All humans are decended from a group of 800-1000 that left Africa roughly 100k years ago and spread out from what is now the middle east into east asia down to Australia and over to N. America and europe interbreeding with the archaic humans already there. This is what DNA studies have shown. We are ALL related regardless of facial features or skin color.
Matie,...ARB
that is a T_I_G_E_R, that spells Tiger,...
Winnie the Pooh perhaps,...
Jan 2, 2014
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#207
I just read an article about how gene expression could possibly be affected by environment and culture.
http://www.nature.com/news/behaviour-and-biology-the-accidental-epigeneticist-1.14441
Jan 2, 2014
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#208
Jews always gave importance to education and a sharp intellect. Today we see the rise of China and India in chess - and it's the same - education and the development of a sharp intellect. No mysteries there.
Jan 2, 2014
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#209
There seems to be a link between the destruction of the temple of salomon, which took away the central religious core and the degree of literacy that increased due to the requirement of local study of the torah.
RustInTime wrote:
Intellectualism is not something pursued or admired nearly as much in every culture. While in Jewish culture it often was.
It's really that simple.
Especially different Christian denominations have not been too big on the general development of ones intellect with ungodly hobbies such as philosophy, science, literature etc. till even the recent past. Just work hard and keep your mouth shut. Here in the Netherlands in certain areas and even in my family one can still strongly sense the remnants on this mindset with people alive today growing up in families where books were pretty much banned etc. (Currently being replaced with a happy dumb consumerist rejection of intellectualism but that's a whole other story.)
I'm not so sure of that. It seems western culture which has been by and large christian culture for several centuries has made several intellectual advances. IMO the advances were faster than non-christian societies.
Perhaps Jewish society ("subsociety"? I say "subsociety" because they often exist as minorities in other societies not because there is anything sub par about jews) is the exception to that rule though.
Jan 2, 2014
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#211
TheARBchesssystem is a troll. I'm blocking him now. He should be given no attention. I saw him railing against women on another thread. Goodbye.
Jan 2, 2014
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#212
Here is a copy of the abuse report I have just sent chess.com re. user <theARBChessSystem>, whom I blocked from my profile:
The title was "Hate Speech"
The content was - Dear Chess.com staff,
this member is indulging in hate speech. In the aforementioned thread, it's against Jews as a category. There was another thread, could a woman become a Wch, in which he was railing similarly against women. For your information :-)
I suppose that this should do the trick :-)
denner90 wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
denner90 wrote:
nameno1had-- I can't really figure out where you stand on all this (and don't really care)
You call me a racist because I say we are are all basically the same under the skin? I find that truly amusing and a telling indicator of your comprehensive ability.
You deny scientific fact in favor of ...what?
I was going to go on but you have discredited yourself enough and done a better job than I ever could have by arguing from an indefensible perspective.
Not wanting to recognize a people and give them the same rights as others is one of the worst forms of discrimination that has ever existed. Italy's past is well noted for its discrimination against Jews and recognizing them even as human...let alone another race...I am not going to waste any more time on you either...
How in the hell am I not wanting to give any people the same rights as others? I happen to study human anthropology and know quite a bit about what it means to be human, I dare say more than you. You and Ironlungdope have revealed yourselves as the true bigots you are by calling out Italians in your hamhanded way. Like I said to him... it's an Irish flag. Now say all the bad things you want to about the Irish and prove my case.
I'm partly Irish...you probably changed flags...clever
BTW, if you really are Irish, you should be made to fly the UK flag instead, that way maybe it will remind of the rights of people to seperate, govern themselves and be their own race if they want...
Jan 2, 2014
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#215
I'm not going to read all 14 pages of texts. I'm not Jewish, nor do i have anything against Jews. But I think it is interesting that they are so highly represented in competitive chess (and many other fields) compared to their relatively small population.
My guess/hunch is that the Jewish people have a culture that includes a respect for intelligent pursuits, research, and an incredibly strong work ethic. I can't think of any other factors that would lead this group to such amazing contributions to science, medicine, technology and chess over the years.
Jan 2, 2014
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#216
real_tzs wrote:
MISTERGQ wrote:
real_tzs wrote:
MISTERGQ wrote:
There are no significant biological differences in Jews than in any other socially constructed group of humans.
So would you explain the high rate of Tay-Sachs disease in Ashkenazi Jews as being due to them having a supportive community that comes together for friends and family? Same for Neimann-Pick disease. Or Familial dysautonomia? Gaucher's disease?
Non-Significant difference. Those are just hereditary traits. Nothing to do with people being superior to others. I didn't say there weren't genetic differences, but that there were no significant differences.
IE meaning that no genetic difference is responsible for an ethnic jew to be better at chess than another. To say otherwise is bad science and racist.
Intelligence is a hereditary trait to a significant extent. Several of the recessive genetic diseases that are very overrepresented in the Ashkenazi operate by messing with neural growth and function. Some have as one of their effects increased neural connectivity, which some studies have shown to be associated with higher intelligence.
There is speculation that people who carry but do not have these diseases may still get some of the good effects (like enhanced neural connectivity). More research is needed.
Intelligence is not a hereditary.
For the diseases, you are talking about having a recessive allele for sickle-cell anemia, which, in sub-saharan africa is a naturally occuring defense against malaria (because when a cell gets infected with malaria, it triggers the sickle-cell response and destroys th cell).
There is nothing specifically biological about the jewish people that would make them be better at chess. I can't believe we're even having this argument. This is a completely racist thread and should be deleted.
All the positives from the jewish people come from having stable lives, familial monetary support, and emotional support. ALSO, Like any other group of socially constructed people to put humans into arbitrary subgroups, they have their stars. If ANY other racial subgroup was as close knitted as the jewish people are, we'd be seeing the same things occur with them.
Now, can we just end this racist non-sense about biological genetic differences making people good/bad at chess?
Some serious racism and sexism in these forums really needs to be addressed.
TheARBChessSystem wrote:
Only Bogus Books like the Bible Say that the "Temple of Solomon" Existed!??
A.R.B
It's a legend- pretty much like the other one which says that your brains do exist.
"Hereditary" is not a noun.
Jan 2, 2014
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#219
Crazychessplaya wrote:
"Hereditary" is not a noun.
Good that you got to the very bottom of the real argument here! Always nice to know that someone, somewhere is going to present a red-hering about spelling or grammar!
"Many people who we think of as "Jews" are not descended from the original tribes of Israel. At one time Jews proselytized and many people who call themselves "Jews" are actually of European descent. "
Incorrect! DNA testing has proved that modern Jews are indeed descended from an ancient common ancestor.
Of course, jews (religious or not) have ancestors in the Middle east. But they have ancestors in Europe, too, because they occasionally mixed with Europeans. If you put a drop of blue color into a water glass many times, the water becomes blue at the end.
Hence, today, most jews have probably more European ancestors (that is, of non-jews who lived in Europe between 200 BC and 1900 AD) than Mideast ancestors (who lived in Mideast - from Babylonia over Yemen to Palestine and Egypt - between the time of David's kingdom and now).
I'd like to know more about this DNA stuff. They say that Europeans have the DNA of Neanderthals. So I guess if you dig deeply enough in the DNA you will find African DNA in us all as well. Maybe we are all brothers under the skin after all.