Will black LOSE or DRAW ?

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Avatar of 64idi0t

Draw, but I won't post the solution, not to spoil the puzzle for the rest of users.

 

BTW, an excellent choice of puzzle, IMHO.

Avatar of yakushi12345

I think black with h8=q can win, assuming bishop v queen is a win for queen.

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yakushi12345 wrote:

I think black with h8=q can win, assuming bishop v queen is a win for queen.


The black pawns are on the second rank, not the seventh. 

Avatar of amontel

Hmm, i say a draw but I'm not sure of the theory behind it. Can anyone elucidate?

Avatar of planeden

if i were to play black it would be a loss.  if i were to play white, it may be a draw or a black victory. 

however, i think it should be a draw. 

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Draw

Avatar of Tangan

draw

Avatar of unga123

everyone is saying draw no one is posting anything... (myself included) we need some diagrams up in this.

Avatar of bondocel

Can't Black just simply push the f pawn? The White king cannot stop it, so White needs to use his bishop, and then the h pawn falls. 

Avatar of theoreticalboy

Yes, I smell a potential bishop sac, and a rook pawn that will never, ever queen.  Dri-zaw.

Avatar of KillaNinja

no no no.. this is a lose for black. firesail is right i think. sooner or later black is going to lose both his pawns in zugzwang and wont be able to get the white one because its protected by the bishop. then pawny goes all the way home because the corner square is the same colour as the bishop and can queen :)

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Ah, I didn't think about the white pawn guarding the g3 square from the king - so it can't walk the pawn to the queening square with any ease.  Hmm, I don't know, my endgames are awful.  I'd like to know the answer Smile

Avatar of LegoPirateSenior

Draw. Just make the first three obvious moves and the solution will present itself -- it is quite forced; if you don't give away one of the pawns, you cannot lose.

Complete solution on my blog, in the form of a puzzle (as played by me as black against an engine equipped with endgame tablebases).

Very cool puzzle. Thanks, ChessNetwork!

Avatar of mottsauce

It's a draw.

Avatar of orangehonda

Looking at it for 10 seconds... black should lose... but as I scroll down to post everyone is saying draw so now I'm not sure of myself lol.

But seriously, the f pawn is blockaded on f2 and the h pawn obviously blockaded by white's pawn.  After that white has all the tempo he needs to eat some pawns and win right??

Avatar of orangehonda

Oh, I see post #17, so that's how it works, pretty sneaky Smile

Avatar of Unknowntheshadowlord

all of the above

Avatar of Noxxion

black will win if I play it

Avatar of didibrian
All black has to do is kill the pawn