It would take forever for Computers to get to this position by analyzing, "Best Moves Possible" in order.
there's no way this is all best moves. Played between two bots rated -769 and -744.
Will Chess ever be "solved"?
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Jun 11, 2021
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#123
btickler wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
btickler wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Sounds like a famous former leader that was an embarrassment to those he led. Delusional.
It does doesn't it?...but the various phrasing and other telltale markers are missing. It would have to be more like:
"Let me tell you something, nobody has a life like mine. It's the best life. The best. Second to none. Better than yours could ever be. My financial empire, the celebrities I know, my genius IQ, my small-handed dexterity, my ability to grab women with impunity, and most importantly, I am healthy...look at my skin! Maybe you should be more humble, like me."
Really, all you ever seem to do in life is try to put people down. And then you accuse them of attacking you, like as not. Anyone who thinks you post more sense than nonsense is definitely delusional.
It's funny how you never seem to be able to see anything but me.
- Poster jumps on another out of the blue
- I point out hypocritical elements of attack
- Exchanges ensue, in which I am usually the more restrained, as in this case.
But somehow all you ever see is me attacking somebody for apparently no reason whatsoever . I think it is because you are used to being snarky, and so you see me confronting someone about a snarky post as some kind of interference with every poster's right to be that way without repercussions...I instead feel like people deserve to see themselves in a mirror once in while to keep them honest.
Apparently Optimissed missed the point--btickler was just poking fun at First March's ridiculous boasting about how wonderful and superior and humble he is.
Mmm maybe (hopefully not )I can’t put opinion in
mpaetz wrote:
Apparently Optimissed missed the point--btickler was just poking fun at First March's ridiculous boasting about how wonderful and superior and humble he is.
It's also amusing because he quoted the second post, which is actually pointing out some fairly obvious dialogue markers for a certain orange politician well known for *attacking everything* when he speaks.
Seems like he's right in essence though. You're still talking about him in this thread way after that message was sent. He hit the mark while still being a troll. You're taken the bait and you're staying on the line for way too long because your ego's hurt. So hurt that you decided to leak a private message to keep talking about it in an unrelated thread. I was having fun reading the posts on this topic but now the thread has grown a tumor.
Also, I'm just a neutral bystander, but Nikki did start it first with those passive aggressive remarks.
KCJ4 wrote:
Seems like he's right in essence though. You're still talking about him in this thread way after that message was sent. He hit the mark while still being a troll. You're taken the bait and you're staying on the line for way too long because your ego's hurt. So hurt that you decided to leak a private message to keep talking about it in an unrelated thread. I was having fun reading the posts on this topic but now the thread has grown a tumor.
Also, I'm just a neutral bystander, but Nikki did start it first with those passive aggressive remarks.
I didn't "leak" anything 
. If someone I know sends me a message I will hold it in confidence...messages like that, not for a moment. As an adult I am not coercible via schoolyard stuff like "no squealing".
Not sure why you're saying it's an unrelated thread since the whole thing took place right here...then again, if I had posted the PM in a completely new thread, you'd be telling me now how awful *that* was...FirstMarch jumped on something he didn't like that was still related to the topic, and went after a poster in a very off-topic way, so you can lay the tumor at his doorstep.
You're no neutral bystander if you think that Nikki's bravado in this case warranted being labelled a "freak" repeatedly. You're also no neutral bystander if you think FirstMarch hit the mark .
P.S. Everything has taken place within the past 24 hours, so the "way after" aspersion...? Not so much.
1. No, you did leak it no matter how you spin it. This is objectively true.
2. It is unrelated. This is also objectively true. To be honest, I don't care who started it in your perspective. Nikki has been quite patronizing to other posters before your archenemy's first post in the thread. In my eyes all three of you are in the wrong, but you're the last person remaining still talking about it. That's why I said he hit the mark, as it appears as if you just have to get the last word in. You look petty.
3. My mistake, I guess it's not way after. I did not pay attention to the timestamps of the posts.
#141
Yes, because of the 50 moves rule every chess game ends in 5898.5 moves at most.
No present computer can calculate this, because every move opens several new possibilities.
There are an estimated number of 10^47 chess positions. Most of these are irrelevant to solve chess, because of symmetry, that they are illegal, or that they are weird like with 7 bishops.
Quantum computers are available e.g. from IBM with 128 qubit, the equivalent of 1 terabit.
Most promising is the 2 prong approach to calculate from the initial position towards a table base, like used to solve checkers.
KCJ4 wrote:
1. No, you did leak it no matter how you spin it. This is objectively true.
2. It is unrelated. This is also objectively true. To be honest, I don't care who started it in your perspective. Nikki has been quite patronizing to other posters before your archenemy's first post in the thread. In my eyes all three of you are in the wrong, but you're the last person remaining still talking about it. That's why I said he hit the mark, as it appears as if you just have to get the last word in. You look petty.
3. My mistake, I guess it's not way after. I did not pay attention to the timestamps of the posts.
Maybe the nomenclature is the problem...but for a PM to actually be a private message that could reasonably be "leaked" requires it meet certain criteria. Trolling and insults sent with a block to deny a reply is like painting graffiti on somebody's front door, ringing the doorbell, and running away, not like knocking and leaving an envelope.
I don't have an archenemy. This is another schoolyard concept, like the "leak". I do know a few posters who might think of themselves this way, but I don't have anything like a pecking order. It's more like whack-a-mole. A designated archenemy and/or a pecking order, now *that* would be petty.
This isn't about Nikki's previous behavior. Patronizing does not quite rise to the same level.
Finally, there are two people still talking about it , so feel free to stop anytime you'd like the conversation to be over...or keep going if you actually need the last word?
#160
4 minutes on a quantum computer = 10000 years on a conventional supercomputer
https://medium.com/predict/googles-quantum-computer-is-about-158-million-times-faster-than-the-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-36df56747f7f
Optimissed wrote:
Oh for Heaven's sake, I credited you with intelligence but maybe it doesn't extend to interpersonal matters. None of us are perfect and when confronted with a troll, it can be difficult. All I have ever done is to respond to attacks because if I don't, and I hesitate to say this, people like you will believe the silken words and you've made it perfectly obvious that you haven't been following what has happened, Ziryab. You're the third person who has accused me of attacking him. Have you any idea how scared many people are to confront him? Any idea at all? Yet if I'm honest I'm being called hypocritical? He plainly said that his interactions with another member are no business of mine and yet he was attacking the other member, in my opinion quite callously. He was reported for it and the mds didn't do anything. I think you're out of order, Ziryab. Better check there's no hypocrisy in your box.
I would love to see this list of many people scared to confront me. You've built me up in your head into something a little surreal, don't you think?
I know 'Tuna once called me the Bruce Lee of the forums ...but he was joking and being sarcastic. I suggest developing a similar sense of humor about it.
tygxc wrote:
#160
4 minutes on a quantum computer = 10000 years on a conventional supercomputer
https://medium.com/predict/googles-quantum-computer-is-about-158-million-times-faster-than-the-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-36df56747f7f
This is a fluff piece. Notice how the author skirts around the actual calculations being compared. This will be because they chose a calculation that quantum computers excel at that normal processors do not...shouldn't be hard to find out...
https://physicsworld.com/a/is-googles-quantum-supremacy-not-so-supreme-after-all/
So the calculation was a random sampling, with no practical application. An application that quantum computing would excel at, and it beats the supercomputer by 1,000 times, not 158 million. That, I will buy.
Optimissed wrote:
I've taken the decision not to respond to you any more. I'd like to respond but just as it seems that you're being more pleasant, another wave of weirdness occurs, as happened very recently. There are many who see it but if sufficient people pretend it doesn't happen, it looks as if you're completely in the clear. Fortunately, I have a sense of humour. If that's the sort of forum people want, that's what they'll get, so all the best to you, btickler and I hope you have an enjoyable day.
I will be heading to sleep , but enjoy yours.
#166
You can already buy service by a quantum computer e.g. from IBM
https://www.ibm.com/quantum-computing/services/
There are already desktop quantum computers for sale
https://www.discovermagazine.com/technology/a-desktop-quantum-computer-for-just-usd5-000
Of course the technology will advance in decades to come.
This leads to the belief that chess will be solved this century.
i hvae no idea wots going on
One reason chess ,might not be solvable is the expense in trying to solve?
Also why try to solve something for those who know in advance what the solution will be?
#176
As said before, supercomputers and quantum computers need testing after they are made. Working to solve chess could be a good test. Likewise search for Mersenne Primes was done on supercomputers undergoing factory testing. So the expense is near to zero.
Checkers was also conjectured to be a draw decades before the proof.
tygxc please note I used the words "might not be solvable"
Expense would be near zero if your assumptions come true. Not a sure thing they would come true?
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#178
About the future nothing is sure.
During this century:
Men will walk on Mars - probably, not sure
The Riemann Hypothesis will be proved - probably, not sure
A Third World War will erupt - hopefully not
Chess will be solved - I believe so
Use of factory testing of supercomputers already has been used to find Mersenne primes, so it can be used to solve chess as well.
Sounds like a famous former leader that was an embarrassment to those he led. Delusional.
It does doesn't it?...but the various phrasing and other telltale markers are missing. It would have to be more like:
"Let me tell you something, nobody has a life like mine. It's the best life. The best. Second to none. Better than yours could ever be. My financial empire, the celebrities I know, my genius IQ, my small-handed dexterity, my ability to grab women with impunity, and most importantly, I am healthy...look at my skin! Maybe you should be more humble, like me."
Really, all you ever seem to do in life is try to put people down. And then you accuse them of attacking you, like as not. Anyone who thinks you post more sense than nonsense is definitely delusional.
It's funny how you never seem to be able to see anything but me.
- Poster jumps on another out of the blue
- I point out hypocritical elements of attack
- Exchanges ensue, in which I am usually the more restrained, as in this case.
But somehow all you ever see is me attacking somebody for apparently no reason whatsoever
. I think it is because you are used to being snarky, and so you see me confronting someone about a snarky post as some kind of interference with every poster's right to be that way without repercussions...I instead feel like people deserve to see themselves in a mirror once in while to keep them honest.
Re-read this post to Nikki (whom I don't know from Adam, by the way):
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/will-chess-ever-be-solved-1?page=6#comment-61106933
"Not only are you so condescending, but you are so wrong as well. [snip] you're a freak pretending to be a woman on a chess website."
And this:
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/will-chess-ever-be-solved-1?page=6#comment-61107069
"One look at your profile (fake pic off a google search and that hideous "look at me I'm a girl!" pink background) [snip] you're a weird freak pretending to be something you're not."
And then read my rather tame by comparison confronting post, then realize that "Nikki" has not posted since, but FirstMarch seems to be doing fine, tossing out his vitriol with abandon
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You don't have to agree with my confronting such people, but FirstMarch is not the victim here.