Will computers ever solve chess?
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They probably will solve it, but it doesn't matter, because chess programs ultimately only have value in how they serve us, in teaching us how to play better.
ponz111 wrote:
And back to the subject of this forum...
Chess will never be solved.
However it is very obvious that chess is a draw when neither side makes
an error.
More accurate: Chess will not be solved in our lifetimes, and while a majority of titled players feel chess is likely a forced draw, there's no proof of this, nor any current top players claiming proof or even certainty of it.
we are all wrong because AI robots will conquer the world.
Jul 31, 2018
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Not if we can distract them by getting them to waste their time playing chess.
how to return a large Board
Aug 3, 2018
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ptd570 wrote:
Will there ever be a computer strong enough to solve chess to the point where white uses its half tempo advantage to always beat black no matter what moves black plays (in otherwords the same computer can never win with black even after a thousand random games against itself)
I beleive one day there will be a computer so strong and so big that it will solve chess completely but perhaps that is 50 or 100 years off, its possible to solve it but we may never see it even in a 100 years
Black will always be alway to draw/stealmate with perfect play
Perhaps a more interesting question. Do you think there is any position after both players have made 1 move where one side is lost with pefect play?
Aug 3, 2018
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staples13 wrote:
Perhaps a more interesting question. Do you think there is any position after both players have made 1 move where one side is lost with pefect play?
Yes
Aug 3, 2018
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Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
staples13 wrote:
Perhaps a more interesting question. Do you think there is any position after both players have made 1 move where one side is lost with pefect play?
Yes
1.e4 f5 (duras gambit) or 1.e4 b5, both give great advantage to white
Aug 3, 2018
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s23bog wrote:
Saying that one side has a great advantage is far from saying that they are lost. It could just mean that the road to a draw is more narrow.
Not at all
e4 f5 has given Black 2 wins of course
btickler wrote:
ponz111 wrote:
And back to the subject of this forum...
Chess will never be solved.
However it is very obvious that chess is a draw when neither side makes
an error.
More accurate: Chess will not be solved in our lifetimes, and while a majority of titled players feel chess is likely a forced draw, there's no proof of this, nor any current top players claiming proof or even certainty of it.
No, I meant what I said. Mankind will perish before chess is solved.
And you are quite wrong about top players as they almost all know for certain chess is a draw. This is quite obvious from their play of games and from the annotations of their games.
Aug 3, 2018
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ponz111 wrote:
btickler wrote:
ponz111 wrote:
And back to the subject of this forum...
Chess will never be solved.
However it is very obvious that chess is a draw when neither side makes
an error.
More accurate: Chess will not be solved in our lifetimes, and while a majority of titled players feel chess is likely a forced draw, there's no proof of this, nor any current top players claiming proof or even certainty of it.
No, I meant what I said. Mankind will perish before chess is solved.
And you are quite wrong about top players as they almost all know for certain chess is a draw. This is quite obvious from their play of games and from the annotations of their games.
Chess will be solved with quantum computers, so will be able to see it probably
All
Not very likely--I am 77 years old. But in any event, I think you are wrong.
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
ptd570 wrote:
Will there ever be a computer strong enough to solve chess to the point where white uses its half tempo advantage to always beat black no matter what moves black plays (in otherwords the same computer can never win with black even after a thousand random games against itself)
I beleive one day there will be a computer so strong and so big that it will solve chess completely but perhaps that is 50 or 100 years off, its possible to solve it but we may never see it even in a 100 years
Black will always be alway to draw/stealmate with perfect play
As far as you dont know, that is.
1. F3. With perfect play is white lost after this move?
ponz111 wrote:
btickler wrote:
ponz111 wrote:
And back to the subject of this forum...
Chess will never be solved.
However it is very obvious that chess is a draw when neither side makes
an error.
More accurate: Chess will not be solved in our lifetimes, and while a majority of titled players feel chess is likely a forced draw, there's no proof of this, nor any current top players claiming proof or even certainty of it.
No, I meant what I said. Mankind will perish before chess is solved.
And you are quite wrong about top players as they almost all know for certain chess is a draw. This is quite obvious from their play of games and from the annotations of their games.
I don't really care if you meant what you said. My statements were/are more accurate.
As for "they almost all know for certain chess is a draw", you are completely exaggerating the situation and have no proof, as per usual.
Aug 4, 2018
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lfPatriotGames wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
ptd570 wrote:
Will there ever be a computer strong enough to solve chess to the point where white uses its half tempo advantage to always beat black no matter what moves black plays (in otherwords the same computer can never win with black even after a thousand random games against itself)
I beleive one day there will be a computer so strong and so big that it will solve chess completely but perhaps that is 50 or 100 years off, its possible to solve it but we may never see it even in a 100 years
Black will always be alway to draw/stealmate with perfect play
As far as you dont know, that is.
It's obiovus as you can draw in a losing position, so with perfect play white would keep his edge but it wouldnt be enought to win
And back to the subject of this forum...
Chess will never be solved.
However it is very obvious that chess is a draw when neither side makes
an error.