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WalangAlam

There is always Chess 960 as a fallback. Thank God Fisher invented it!

ChezBoy

Indeed.

SocialPanda
WalangAlam wrote:

There is always Chess 960 as a fallback. Thank God Fisher invented it!

You can use engines with 960 as well.

WalangAlam

I suppose we could. Now that's just worse.

SocialPanda
WalangAlam wrote:

I suppose we could. Now that's just worse.

And it´s even worse, because you don´t even have opening knowledge to defend yourself.

We should just surrender to the robots. They will be kind to us.

motherinlaw
socialista wrote:
WalangAlam wrote:

I suppose we could. Now that's just worse.

And it´s even worse, because you don´t even have opening knowledge to defend yourself.

We should just surrender to the robots. They will be kind to us.

lol -- kinder than American Congressmen?  Oh, for sure!

SocialPanda

The Isaac Asimov laws are good for us:

  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
netzach

Fling robots in the sea!

(They don't handle salt water well)

SocialPanda
manfredmann wrote:
socialista wrote:

The Isaac Asimov laws are good for us:

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

and did you see "I Robot" or read the book?

I think I have read just some of the stories that are included in that book (Maybe I read them but it was 16 years ago Cry).

I had some Asimov books and I also liked the compilations made by Heinlein. (And when I grow up I was more attracted to Lovecraft).

SocialPanda
manfredmann wrote:
socialista wrote:
WalangAlam wrote:

I suppose we could. Now that's just worse.

And it´s even worse, because you don´t even have opening knowledge to defend yourself.

We should just surrender to the robots. They will be kind to us.

Manfred's "Laws of Robotics:"

1. NEVER give a robot a weapon.

2. NEVER allow a robot to gain control of your access to its power switch or other forms of ON/OFF controls.

3. Use robots as advisors to humans on matters of calculation, as lead members of bomb squads and as welders. In certain cases a robot may be used as a tempoarary replacement for a politician (but not the Commander in Chief or anyone in the military chain of command - see Law 1).

Do you like Carl Sagan?

Jimmykay

The best computer on the planet has been better than me (and most of you) for my entire 28 years of playing chess, yet I still play.

This idea of the death of chess because of computer superiority is absurd.

Spiritbro77
AndyClifton wrote:

And my (possibly even more enormous) record collection.

No way. Nothing sounds as warm as vinal. :)

Spiritbro77

It's not possibel to ruin the game of chess. Cheaters ruin themselves, not the game. The game will endure.

motherinlaw
Spiritbro77 wrote:

It's not possibel to ruin the game of chess. Cheaters ruin themselves, not the game. The game will endure.

NIce. Smile

motherinlaw

I don't know of any sci-fi reading, gifted (pardon the redundancy) adolescents who didn't love Stranger in a Strange Land (myself included).  It told us weird smart people that we might be "different" in a "good" way.(what a relief!).... and didn't you love the word "grok?"

pafbrook

cheaters dont play chess ;-) they cheat. 

computers will improve the chessskill if u use them right.

in games like online chess you could use computers ofcourse,but its another kind of chess in the tradition of chess by mail. in that tradition you could use books too to examine how to play the game.

sure cheaters will be caught by good programs that analyse moves of players. cheaters dont understand chess at all .chess is only a nice game if u play it right.computers will change, humans will change we call that evolution, how we we change, thats up to us humans.

chess is a game , u can learn how to play it or cheat.Wink

SocialPanda

I am playing a correspondence game with a 1100 guy from Chile (in another website), and I ask him:

"Which part of the game do you prefer to study?, openings, tactics, strategy?"

And he answered:

"That division is something of the past, nowadays you just need to know how to use the different kinds of chess software"

Undecided

WalangAlam

 

 

It's like PED's and cycling. If anyone is aware of what is going on the cycling World and how it's Champions, past and present, have all been tainted with doping scandals. Not least of all Lance Armstrong. Chess has its own Borislav Ivanov, although he hasn't been proven guilty, so the drama continues this doesn't mean however, cheating aided by the convenience, capability and ease of use with today's technology will one way or another ruin Chess. All it takes is someone from the elite players to be caught and the damage would be severe. Before anyone would know it Grandmasters would spring up like mushrooms all over the world and the prestige and respectability of being a GM would diminish or disappear altogether. On the bright side I might make it as a titled player, LOL!

motherinlaw

I really do enjoy it when people actually come up with "the bright side" here.  So what if some people cheat?  It's only a game, for Pete's sake!

(I look forward to your comments: Yell! ... Wink)

TheGrobe

Plus technology is neutral at it's core.  It can be used for good (i.e. significantly advancing opening theory and endgame understanding) or evil (cheating).  If anything ruins the game of chess it will be chess players.