Being a mathimatician or an artist doesn't make you good at chess by deafault,although I believe that if a mathematician and an artist study the same amount of time about chess,it would be easier for a mathematician to adopt "chess logic" (because of geometry).
Would you expect a mathematician to make a better chess player than an artist?
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Naiskes-K wrote:
Being a mathimatician or an artist doesn't make you good at chess by deafault,although I believe that if a mathematician and an artist study the same amount of time about chess,it would be easier for a mathematician to adopt "chess logic" (because of geometry).
I think the question was 'which would be better' not, 'does being an egghead or shiftless hippie make you good at chess'.
Jan 5, 2015
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But artists have amazing visual memory in order to transfer the image onto their medium. Does maths really play that a big part in chess? it's been said that Kasparov remembered all the master games he ever played.
SmyslovFan wrote:
Yes, mathematicians are generally better at chess than artists. There are plenty of exceptional chess playing artists, but there are more world champions and GMs with math backgrounds than ones who were primarily artists. Of course, different arts such as music have closer affinities to chess than others.
Good point about different artists.
I think a preforming artist would have better discipline for the rigorous practice for example.
Babytigrrr wrote:
But artists have amazing visual memory in order to transfer the image onto their medium. Does maths really play that a big part in chess? it's been said that Kasparov remembered all the master games he ever played.
I doubt it is math skills that can help good mathematicians in chess, but their ability of to visualize abstract numbers to create 'models' in their mind. This surly can be applied to visualizing an ever changing chess position.
Babytigrrr wrote:
But artists have amazing visual memory in order to transfer the image onto their medium. Does maths really play that a big part in chess? it's been said that Kasparov remembered all the master games he ever played.
If true, I guarantee you Kasparov doesn't remember them simply because he played them. If I did the ludicrous amount of analysis for each of my games as Kasparov did for his, I'd probably remember all my games for 100 years 
leiph18 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
Yes, mathematicians are generally better at chess than artists. There are plenty of exceptional chess playing artists, but there are more world champions and GMs with math backgrounds than ones who were primarily artists. Of course, different arts such as music have closer affinities to chess than others.
Good point about different artists.
I think a preforming artist would have better discipline for the rigorous practice for example.
One major attraction to mathematics is problem solving. One major attraction to chess is problem solving.
It would seem THIS is the reason there are more mathematicians in chess than artists.
Mathematicians are artists :-)
chessman1504 wrote:
Mathematicians are artists :-)
For sure the best ones are.
kleelof wrote:
leiph18 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
Yes, mathematicians are generally better at chess than artists. There are plenty of exceptional chess playing artists, but there are more world champions and GMs with math backgrounds than ones who were primarily artists. Of course, different arts such as music have closer affinities to chess than others.
Good point about different artists.
I think a preforming artist would have better discipline for the rigorous practice for example.
This seems like a weak connection.
One major attraction to mathematics is problem solving. One major attraction to chess is problem solving.
It would seem THIS is the reason there are more mathematicians in chess than artists.
I was just comparing one type of artist to another. Of course all artists practice, but I see more similarities between preforming artist's practice. As Bob Ross would say, there are no mistakes in painting 
I agree about the problem solving.
leiph18 wrote:
kleelof wrote:
leiph18 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
Yes, mathematicians are generally better at chess than artists. There are plenty of exceptional chess playing artists, but there are more world champions and GMs with math backgrounds than ones who were primarily artists. Of course, different arts such as music have closer affinities to chess than others.
Good point about different artists.
I think a preforming artist would have better discipline for the rigorous practice for example.
This seems like a weak connection.
One major attraction to mathematics is problem solving. One major attraction to chess is problem solving.
It would seem THIS is the reason there are more mathematicians in chess than artists.
I was just comparing one type of artist to another. Of course all artists practice, but I see more similarities between preforming artist's practice. As Bob Ross would say, there are no mistakes in painting
I agree about the problem solving.
Yeah,. I totally misread Smyslov's post.
Jan 5, 2015
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Ellie47 wrote:
In chess you need to be good at making calculations, but wouldn't a very creative person such as an artist be better at recognizing chess patterns and good combinations?
Recognizing patterns, I believe also, is what makes both of them good at a game which is all about pattern recognition. That's why chess takes so long for some of us to understand. And it's probably why learning the openings first can make chess seem like such a daunting endeavor, as well as making it seem like you have to have an exceptional memory.
I'm surprised to see you posting again, Ellie47:)
Jan 5, 2015
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rdecredico wrote:
Sublime navel gazing in this thread.
Kudos.
This is the closest we'll ever see to rdecredico publicly agreeing with anyone.
"Part Art, part Science, part Sport," a la GM Gulko.
Don't forget the folks pumping iron and chess-boxing, too.
GM's John Nunn and Ken Rogoff both fall into the Math/Econometrics category.
But, So What ??
Jan 5, 2015
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Duchamp. "While all artists are not chess players, all chess players are artists."
ConnorMacleod_151 wrote:
Ellie47 wrote:
In chess you need to be good at making calculations, but wouldn't a very creative person such as an artist be better at recognizing chess patterns and good combinations?
Great question!!
Chess only needs a good memory... don't let anyone tell u otherwise!
If thats true, people with photographic memories would be the best chess players.
Both Mathematicians and Artist are good in Chess! Mathematicians are good in making calculations and that is true! While an Artist are very good in their Intuitions! As an artist,one must have an exceptional talent to draw what he feels from his heart and mind.Artist talent lies in his fantasy.A good example is Mikhail Tal! Although it does not prove that Tal is exceptional in Art aside from chess his fantasy and intuition are far above from normal imagination.
Jan 5, 2015
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trysts wrote:
Ellie47 wrote:
In chess you need to be good at making calculations, but wouldn't a very creative person such as an artist be better at recognizing chess patterns and good combinations?
Recognizing patterns, I believe also, is what makes both of them good at a game which is all about pattern recognition. That's why chess takes so long for some of us to understand. And it's probably why learning the openings first can make chess seem like such a daunting endeavor, as well as making it seem like you have to have an exceptional memory.
I'm surprised to see you posting again, Ellie47:)
I like Ellies' questions
This may call for another poll... i'll wait!
Actually the most famous artist was Philidor!