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kco

way to go lady.

TadDude
setecastronomy wrote:
One day I will have reached a point where it makes sense to really learn the ins and outs of the Caro-Kann and the French and so forth. Until I'm ready, though, being forced to play out games against these openings under pain of banning is simply discouraging and does nothing for my ability to play better chess.

There is no penalty, except for rating, for resigning.

bjazz
TadDude wrote:
TheGodfather000 wrote:
Will this option help the already banned people to unban?...

"If players know how to restrict open challenges they should not have to abort."

Once "banned" a player should remove all restrictions. They have to play anyone. From GMs to people who do not know how the horse moves.

Once they are able to send open challenges they should set limits as described in post #47


Whoa! I get to play GMs if I get restricted?

Now where was that abort button...?

:)

DeepGreene

Sorry for polluting the recent posts list with the same post over and over, but I want to make sure all interested parties get this...

Certainly we don't think users should be "hung up on" instantly once they are paired with an "abort-enthusiast," so we want to discourage that. Laughing

But the current approach seems more punitive than desirable (or necessary). So now the plan is this:

- Make the New Game > Ratings settings more obvious, so that people are more likely to be aware they are able to specify a ratings-range for their challenges.

- Change the nature of the account restriction:  Don't stop people from playing; stop them from Aborting. That is, once they go over the limit (which, btw, is based on a %) they can still create/accept Open Seeks. But they can't simply abort their games anymore (until the % drops back below the line) - games will start with a button showing "Resign" instead, with all the usual ramifications for their rating. Play or forfeit!!

Much better. Smile

Still working out the details, but this is coming soon...

Cystem_Phailure
DeepGreene wrote:

- Change the nature of the account restriction:  Don't stop people from playing; stop them from Aborting. That is, once they go over the limit (which, btw, is based on a %) they can still create/accept Open Seeks. But they can't simply abort their games anymore (until the % drops back below the line) - games will start with a button showing "Resign" instead, with all the usual ramifications for their rating. Play or forfeit!!


Brilliant solution!

Cystem_Phailure
DeepGreene wrote:

 But they can't simply abort their games anymore (until the % drops back below the line) 


Thinking about this part, you'll likely have to require them to get their percentage a good way down below the original trigger percentage before giving back the ability to abort.  Otherwise, their very next game will lower their percentage back below the trigger, and they can just keep bouncing back and forth across the line, effectively being able to abort half of their games.  I think you'll need something like trigger at X% within 90 days, give back abort option when they're back down to half that rate, etc.

ivandh

Maybe we could use a similar attitude toward disconnecters- the more games you abandon, the less time you get to reconnect before your game is declared abandoned, down to maybe a minute or even thirty seconds. Might be tricky to write though.

mateologist

The fact  of the matter is a broswer problem will disconnest you in live chess, happened to me about a year ago. Under the present rules i would have been banned because  i thought the problem was with the site. Wheather related disconnects ( ice-storms) and Comcast (cable)  is always good for a few "technical" problems along the way,  there are just too many variables for any site to be completely fair about these particular bans.   Cool    lol

Kikyo_Sushi
ivandh wrote:

Maybe we could use a similar attitude toward disconnecters- the more games you abandon, the less time you get to reconnect before your game is declared abandoned, down to maybe a minute or even thirty seconds. Might be tricky to write though.


How can u take away Anybody's 'right' to intentionally disconnect ? .. they juz disconnect by closing the Live Chess Window or logging off, by themselves ... there's no 'Disconnect' Button  .

 Normally Intentional Disconnectors don't bother to try to reconnect back .. they juz wanna make us wait 2 min for our Win instead of us getting it immediately if they resign .

So I think this solution cannot be applied for Intentional Disconnectors.

[ Time to reconnect back is meant for Unintentional Disconnection ( due to Connection Problems/Interupted ),which is not our fault.]

browni3141
ivandh wrote:

Maybe we could use a similar attitude toward disconnecters- the more games you abandon, the less time you get to reconnect before your game is declared abandoned, down to maybe a minute or even thirty seconds. Might be tricky to write though.


 I think it would be very easy to write. Adding the necessary code would probably only less than a minute. The time you get to reconnect could be (1-player.disconnect_rate())*CONSTANT, instead of just CONSTANT.

ivandh

Well if you've not been under a rock the past week, you'll notice a lot of people who have been complaining about being banned for abandoning too many games. Whether intentional or not. That's how we are currently handling the issue- there is no discrimination between the intentional and unintentional abandonment. And when the hapless person with the bad ISP goes over the limit- they're banned from playing. That makes it hard for people to redeem themselves so to speak.

My suggestion is to replace these punitive and indiscriminate measures with a much smarter, more flexible and more useful safeguard. If a member abandons a certain percentage of games, they get less time to reconnect before the game is declared abandoned. Sure it's not totally fair to the person with a bad connection. But it's a hell of a lot better than what we have now. People who abandon games for other than malicious reasons will still be able to play, and people facing the intentional abandoners will not have to wait as long to move on to the next game.

kco

you are a whim, the opponent who like to turn the chat off probably like concentratre on the game and may chat later or not, that is fine with me.  

kco

would it just be alot easier to just push the resign button hmm ?

corrijean
sarsaila wrote:
rromel wrote:
Yes Godspawn, 4.2 million players(how many of them are active?) but you have to remove all those who cannot play anymore because they are blocked. These people will go to another chess sites if they want to play chess. Note that mostly hi level players will leave, as me. They can't obligate us to play against weak players.

You can't imagine how wonderful this site would be if all the "high level players" like you left. High-level players with 2400+ on blitz and 1200 for bullet :)


He got banned for cheating 7 hours ago.

http://www.chess.com/cheating.html

Cystem_Phailure

HAW!  What a loser on so many fronts.  Cool

Niven42

Wow, this makes me want to go play Live Chess.

kco

"shhh" no talking about cheating here please.

kco

guys have you got a brain there? I said earlier "shhh" please no talking about cheating here or this thread will get lock.

kco

if you want to talk about cheating go here and there is a link in there for a group where you can discuss cheating

http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/124/0/cheaters--cheating-what-you-need-to-know

Cystem_Phailure

I don't think they care, but this thread's no loss even if it gets locked.  It's been quite a while since there's been anything of substance posted that's related to the original topic.

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