Time cheating?

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espargue

Hello there,

 

is there any possibility of time cheating? Lately i was playing a game. I always was waiting like about 10-15 seconds for the move of my opponent, then myself made a move within 2-3 seconds, but the the time was substracted the other way - means, my opponent only lost 2-3 seconds, while i lost his time of 10-15 seconds..(??) Can anybody help?

notmtwain
espargue wrote:

Hello there,

 

is there any possibility of time cheating? Lately i was playing a game. I always was waiting like about 10-15 seconds for the move of my opponent, then myself made a move within 2-3 seconds, but the the time was substracted the other way - means, my opponent only lost 2-3 seconds, while i lost his time of 10-15 seconds..(??) Can anybody help?

from help (click the link if pasted text below is unreadable.)

Why did the clock times suddenly change? The clocks seem broken!

  

Don't worry - the clocks are not broken. This jumping is caused either by Internet lag, or because of bonus time. Here is how lag works on chess.com:

You make a move, the move gets sent to our server, & then your opponent's computer. We adjust the clocks dynamically so that neither player is "charged" for communication time - but rather, only for the time actually spent thinking.

A very extreme example

Imagine it takes 5 seconds for the move to hit our server, then another 5 seconds for the move to hit your opponent's computer from there. Your opponent will not see this move until 10 seconds after you make it, but your opponents clock will usually start counting down on your screen when the move hits our server. Then, let's say your opponent thinks for a total of 10 seconds. After this, it takes another 5 seconds for the move to be transmitted to our servers, and another 5 seconds for the move to now go to your computer.

So, you have been waiting for this move for roughly 30 seconds (10 seconds total travel time, 10 seconds thinking time, and another 10 seconds total travel time), and your opponents clock has been counting down for roughly 25 seconds. But since your opponent only spent 10 seconds thinking, that's all the time they get charged for. So, when their move finally hits your computer, their clock display re adjusts for the 15 extra seconds that your opponent wasn't actually thinking. Meanwhile, your clock display on your end will only count down while you are thinking. There is no need for correction on your end (and remember, your clock is adjusting similarly on your opponent's screen).

Fortunately, in reality, travel times are usually less than what is described above.  (In fact, we only allow members to play if their detected lag is two seconds or less.) However, the travel times are not consistent, so adjustments must be made dynamically. There is no way around it: all real-time chess servers have to deal with lag, though other sites are a bit less transparent about it.

Keywords: clocks, skip, clock, jumping, time, cheat, delay, bonus

terraco

I hace been suffering the same problemas the whole day. I lost nearly ten games for this reason. My connection is great and has no lag, it's either their servers or that they are imposing their so called lag to non-premium users

terraco

I have been suffering the same problemas the whole day. I lost nearly ten games for this reason. My connection is great and has no lag, it's either their servers or that they are imposing their so called lag to non-premium users

notmtwain
terraco wrote:

I have been suffering the same problemas the whole day. I lost nearly ten games for this reason. My connection is great and has no lag, it's either their servers or that they are imposing their so called lag to non-premium users

I don't believe that chess.com imposes lag on anyone. It doesn't make any sense that they would do that. I was a non-premium user for many years and never had a problem.

They adjust for lag to try to make games fair.

You have no way of knowing that your connection has no lag since you would have to have control over the chess.com servers in order to measure it.

It is entirely possible that your connection is causing you all the problems.

On the other hand, it might be possible that chess.com servers are slow today for some reason. If I thought that was happening, I would write into support instead of making wild speculations  in the forums.

espargue

Game by game gets lost due to this problem - my connection is safe and fast. So why does this problem happens to me but not to my opponents? Games i´m about to win by material/position are lost by lag?!? Sick of this

David

How do you know that your connection "is safe and fast"? That's what your Internet Service Provider may claim, but whether you're actually getting their best service is a different matter" your internet browsing may be terrific overall, but that connects differently to the sort of requirements of a game hosted on the server.

johnjdc

Same problem here. All of a sudden I am losing time randomly, even while my opponent is thinking, I lose time. The last two games I have played, I saw that I was inexplicably low on time (14 seconds in one, 6.2 in the other, despite having moved pretty much instantly), so I just put in place premoves. I still lost on time, before even the five allocated premoves had played out. I have tried closing every other device and window which is accessing my internet connection, but it changes nothing.

MuhammadAreez10

Don't play today.

johnjdc

Good advice. Tried leaving it for a while but it's worse now than before. I premoved move 1 as black, and it took 12 seconds out of my clock.

taken84

I have lost a few games in the same way, also time has gone out on my opponent while I reside with winning number of pieces, and still lose.?

johnjdc

It got better for a while, but now it's happening again. I closed every other window on my computer (not a slow machine, over 3Ghz with plenty of RAM) and am playing bullet. In the latest game, premoving almost every move, I lost on time while my opponent had 25 seconds.

espargue

I can´t believe this shit..When this happens in a tournament i just could smack someone up!! 5 Minutes ago i had a game in a 1-minute-tournament. My opponent was down on material, had 5 seconds on its clock while i had 15 seconds. His time went down to zero (it stopped at 0.0 !!!).. then came a move from my opponent, i was down to zero and lost with queen, rook and knight against nothing?? Who has the next explanation? BTW: our lags were both greener than green...

FernandoSampaio
It seems that this problem affects more people. The LAG's response does not convince me completely. Consider this: How is it that in consecutive games with 2 opponents from the same country, the problem happens in one and not the other? It's happened in my games, especially in Blitz.
Long ago I have been alerting to this and have not received, or see a response that would convince me ...
Maybe one day the problem is solved ...
loneranger78

True , agree with all of you ...lost many games due to this problem..it is definitely not lagging..but somehow, some of them knows how to cheat on time...some can cheat 2 to 6 seconds, some can cheat up to 16 ,20 seconds...and to make it worst, some can make our time to decrease..

FernandoSampaio

Sad; very sad... Discredits the site.Frown

loneranger78

Agreed. It is a discredit. It is a wonderful site after all, except for this one problem. In fact, recently one of my opponent admitted of doing it(cheating on time), but he refused to reveal the yechnique.Embarassed

FernandoSampaio

And when you lose on time after checkmated your opponent? happened to me, twice, in blitz tournaments.  I immediately left those Tournaments, although this may configure disregard for other players, those who do not cheat. But I was upset and did not even think about it...

notmtwain
FernandoSampaio wrote:

And when you lose on time after checkmated your opponent? happened to me, twice, in blitz tournaments.  I immediately left those Tournaments, although this may configure disregard for other players, those who do not cheat. But I was upset and did not even think about it...

You can't lose on time after you checkmated your opponent.  

You should try to understand lag adjustments. Please read this article from chess.com.  Why did the clock times suddenly change?

In reality, you were lost on time before you got a chance to play your checkmate. Sadly, your connection was slow and so your computer didn't show it to you that way.

Namuras

Hello everybody, I have the same problem with time. Lost so many games because of it. It is frustrating. The thing is that I see same thing happens to my opponent. When I see it no matter what I offer draw but my opponent doesn't have opportunity to accept it so for him the game is lost. This problem kills the game.

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