Unfair Repetition of Check

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Avatar of ojaegraeri

I was in a position of clear advantage when my opponent began to repeat - for, in total, over 70-moves - the alternation of Qg4+ and Qf3+ (presumably, with the intention to force a draw). Eventually, I concluded that, indeed, a draw was preferable (this was a 30-minute game), but isn't there some way by which that player could be punished for such ignominious, despicable chess?

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DiNucci wrote:

I was in a position of clear advantage when my opponent began to repeat - for, in total, over 70-moves - the alternation of Qg4+ and Qf3+ (presumably, with the intention to force a draw). Eventually, I concluded that, indeed, a draw was preferable (this was a 30-minute game), but isn't there some way by which that player could be punished for such ignominious, despicable chess?

This is called "perpetual check", and actually, your opponent could demand a draw after a threefold repetition of the position (and the system would automatically end the game splitting the point). Punished for what? This is the way chess is played- a draw is a draw is a draw... nothing depicable about it.

Avatar of Pre_VizsIa

There's nothing unfair about it - perpetual check is a draw, and it's your job to prevent it. However, he should have claimed the draw after three-fold repetition or 50 move rule or both instead of prolonging the game for that long.

Avatar of rooperi

Yeah, same thing happened to me, I had a clear advantage and he mated me with his last pawn. Outrageous, he should be banned.



Avatar of Pre_VizsIa

I see pfren beat me to it...

Avatar of Elubas

Ugh, what isn't rudeness in chess. Is it rude to capture an opponent's queen when they let you? Is it rude to look at the clock too much? DiNucci, everything a person can do in chess is rude. No matter when you resign or not, when you offer a draw, no matter how you hit the chess clock, if you don't say thanks for the game, if you say thanks for the game, it's rude. All of it is rude. Chess players are rude simply because they play chess.

Avatar of APawnCanDream

Forcing Perpetual check is similar to forcing you to commit stalemate or forcing a trade that leaves you unable to force mate. It is just as much part of chess as checkmate, forks, and even moving pieces themselves. Enjoy it!

Avatar of ojaegraeri

I was unaware that such a rule as "perpetual check" exists. It is still intensely irritating and petty.

Avatar of TheGrobe
DiNucci wrote:

I was in a position of clear advantage....

I think I see the source of your confusion.

Avatar of APawnCanDream
DiNucci wrote:

I was unaware that such a rule as "perpetual check" exists. It is still intensely irritating and petty.

Why? Its your job to avoid it as you would stalemate or even checkmate. How is playing a good move(s) petty?

Avatar of brisket

That is perfectly fair play.

Avatar of Scottrf

Unfortunately the mileage you get out of this thread is reduced because there's already been one today.

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/unfair-game

Avatar of Back_For_Good

man, another thread on this tripe!!! Is it offside in football if the last defender is in front of the attacker when the ball is played to them? YES cos that's the rules folks!!! Why do bishops move diagonally? How come horsies can jump over other pieces afterall they are not real horsies. COS IT'S A GAME OF CHESS AND THOSE ARE THE RULES. FFS

Avatar of ojaegraeri
Back_For_Good wrote:

man, another thread on this tripe!!! Is it offside in football if the last defender is in front of the attacker when the ball is played to them? YES cos that's the rules folks!!! Why do bishops move diagonally? How come horsies can jump over other pieces afterall they are not real horsies. COS IT'S A GAME OF CHESS AND THOSE ARE THE RULES. FFS

Would you agree with or obey a law that criminalizes an ethnicity? Your argument is illogical, given the fact that the mere existence of rules doesn't imply justice.

All this considered, I understand the legitimacy of "perpetual check" because one of the primary aims of chess is to, altogether, avoid check.

Avatar of whirlwind2011

@OP: Your opinion toward perpetual check may change when, later, you are given opportunity to save a game by giving it, instead of being on the receiving end.

Avatar of eddysallin

Your sense of indignation comes because u had a queen and rook vs. your opponents queen.U feel the material advantage should matter...but u are wrong.Your opponent played a very common queen drawing technique.Learn it,and give and take credit where due.

Avatar of fianchetto123
Elubas wrote:

Ugh, what isn't rudeness in chess. Is it rude to capture an opponent's queen when they let you? Is it rude to look at the clock too much? DiNucci, everything a person can do in chess is rude. No matter when you resign or not, when you offer a draw, no matter how you hit the chess clock, if you don't say thanks for the game, if you say thanks for the game, it's rude. All of it is rude. Chess players are rude simply because they play chess.

I've also heard that it's rude to resign right before mate, that it's rude to resign too early, that it's rude to allow the game to be played to mate. Also that offering a draw in a drawn situation such as rook and three against rook and three is rude, and of course that playing on is also rude. Being the first to type a comment after a game which you won is rude. Leaving without a "gg" is rude. Saying "gg" after losing is rude, and it's also rude after winning. In OTB play, it's rude to leave the board during your opponent's move, and also it's rude to stay at the board for a long period of time. The whole deal. I won't go on for fear of wasting too much time...

Avatar of fianchetto123

 If you don't like it, don't hate the player, hate the game.

Better yet, hate yourself...you were the one who missed the tactic ;)

Avatar of Elubas

It makes logical sense anyway -- if your king is constantly in check, how can you expect to ever have time to checkmate your opponent? Even if you have a mating move prepared, your own king is a priority, and if you can't keep him out of trouble first, well you're going to be too preoccupied to actually deliver your "killer blow." He might not be able to mate you, but he's certainly not going to lose if all you can do is keep moving your king out of danger forever.

Avatar of Lincolm

Well... Sometimes you should read the rules. It is fair play.