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Does chess.com still allow RATED live game with the Computer?

  • #1

    As of today, I can no longer play RATED live games with the Computer. Only UNRATED.

     

    What has changed?

  • #2

    I also would like to know this.

  • #3
    Man dude
  • #4

    The one metric here that I can use to gauge my skill level and earn rating points where I can be sure the opponent isn't cheating... and your site takes it away! Nice job chess.com! I'm so glad you decided to make this idiotic change before I became a subscriber, which I was just about to do, so thanks for saving me from wasting my money.

  • #5

    The computer's ratings were not accurate in the first place... How many cheaters are there on Chess.com, according to you anyways?

  • #6
    Life_Of_Brian wrote:

    The one metric here that I can use to gauge my skill level and earn rating points where I can be sure the opponent isn't cheating... and your site takes it away! Nice job chess.com! I'm so glad you decided to make this idiotic change before I became a subscriber, which I was just about to do, so thanks for saving me from wasting my money.

    +10000000

    I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!!!!

    Edit: Ok, I will say that I'm not terribly concerned about the cheating part. However, getting rid of the option to play rated games against computers is a travesty, and I am extremely saddened and frustrated by the decision.

  • #7
    TameLava wrote:

    The computer's ratings were not accurate in the first place... How many cheaters are there on Chess.com, according to you anyways?

    The computer got its ratings the same way human players got theirs: it gained points for winning and lost points for losing. It's essentially just another member of the rating pool. If its ratings are "inaccurate," then so are those of every single person on chess.com.

  • #8

    Sometimes they change things for a while without making an announcement. I have no doubt that they will bring back the rated games.

  • #9
    notmtwain wrote:

    Sometimes they change things for a while without making an announcement. I have no doubt that they will bring back the rated games.

    Hopefully you are right.

  • #10

    The computer got its ratings the same way human players got theirs: it gained points for winning and lost points for losing. Good Point... Just thought it was assigned randomly...

  • #11
    TameLava wrote:

    The computer's ratings were not accurate in the first place... How many cheaters are there on Chess.com, according to you anyways?

    It's really more of having the confidence of knowing that someone isn't cheating, that it is anything else. Even one cheater in 50 is too many imo. This takes that completely out of the equation.

    It is also nice to play games against a rated opponent which maintains a relatively constant playing strength, thereby creating a better rating yardstick. 

  • #12

    Can a moderator explain why this was done and give us an indication of whether there are any plans to change it?

  • #13

    A terrible decision by Chess.com..why? was it too much trouble?

  • #14

    My guess is that they just want people playing people, and have a more social experience? That's my guess... But what do I know...

  • #15

    Well computers use engines and opening books, which is the definition of internet chess cheating. Who would want to play against them anyway??

  • #16

    Playing a person is much better than playing a computer... Imo

  • #17
    Sneakmasterflex wrote:

    "Who would want to play against them anyway?"

    Who?

    Weak players... like me happy.png  who want to get better by using the computer to identify my own weaknesses, knowing that strength of my opponent remains relatively constant. It was nice being able to earning rating points in the process. I was planning on restricting my play to Computers only until I could at least beat Computer-LEV3 on a regular basis and start off with at least around a 1500 rating. After that, I was panning on playing humans for a period of time (100 games perhaps), then go back to playing computers (100 games or so), then see what my rating progression looked like... can't do that any more though. sad.png  idk, but I guess some people are figuring out a ways to abuse it, but who knows??  It sure would be nice if someone from Chess.com would come in here and explain the change.   

  • #18
    Life_Of_Brian wrote:
    Sneakmasterflex wrote:

    "Who would want to play against them anyway?"

    Who?

    Weak players... like me   who want to get better by using the computer to identify my own weaknesses, knowing that strength of my opponent remains relatively constant. It was nice being able to earning rating points in the process. I was planning on restricting my play to Computers only until I could at least beat Computer-LEV3 on a regular basis and start off with at least around a 1500 rating. After that, I was panning on playing humans for a period of time (100 games perhaps), then go back to playing computers (100 games or so), then see what my rating progression looked like... can't do that any more though.   idk, but I guess some people are figuring out a ways to abuse it, but who knows??  It sure would be nice if someone from Chess.com would come in here and explain the change.   

    It will take them a while to come up with a semi-plausible reason to mollify the masses. Meanwhile, staff is probably drawing straws to see who the messenger will be. :)

  • #19

    I also preferred playing against the rated computer. Especially for a fast game. Human opponents are fine, but sometimes a slow opponent will take all their available time for each move, which I don't like.

    Wish they would re-install this feature.

  • #20

    Erik was quoted explaining the decision in another thread: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/suggestions/bring-back-rated-games-against-computers

    PhD_in_everything wrote:

    This was erik's explanation: 

    Thanks for asking! We introduced computers more than 10 years ago when we didn’t have enough online players. We always had a plan to make them unrated once we had human players - and never changed it. We find that having the rating tends to encourage people to cheat and use engines to play against the computer - which isn’t allowed in rated play. But, engines ARE allowed in unrated play. We don’t feel that human ratings should be impacted by computer play. I can understand this feels frustrating and sudden and I’m sorry for that.

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