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I find it strange that several games I played in live chess were drawn "by insufficient material" while one side had pawns remaining on board. Is there a problem on this site or a chess rule that I don't know of?
that must be a glitch.
If one player were to run out of time but the other has insufficient material it would still be considered a draw for lack of sufficient material. Is this the case?
Otherwise, it sounds like a glitch to me, too.
Its because the side that didn't have any material (or sufficient material to mate) won on time but since that side can't win, the game is a draw
If one player were to be losing due to time but the other has insufficient material it would still be considered a draw for lack of sufficient material. Is this the case?
Yes, this was the case - one player had insufficient material. Now it all makes sense. Thanks.
But still - rules of chess on draws are (taken from this website):
Occasionally chess games do not end with a winner, but with a draw. There are 5 reasons why a chess game may end in a draw:
So still, in such a situation none of these rules are met...
what is a glitch? It`s the only word I don't understand
F.I.D.E Laws of Chess
Except where Articles 5.1 or one of the Articles 5.2 (a), (b) and (c) apply, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player`s king by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled counterplay.
So if the position is king and two knights v king, and the player with just the king runs out of time, he loses, right?
All is right
This came up today in an OTB game... my opponent ran out of time with a his K and Q vs. my K and P. Although highly unlikely that my pawn would promote, would my pawn be considered sufficient material? Was it a win or draw for me?
It was a win for you, as the pawn COULD promote, if counterplay was 'the most unskilled possible'
It has to be a glitch. I lost a game on time 2 days ago. I had a king and a knight, my opponent had a king and a bishop.
Hey does anyone know whether eg: you have a king and a lone bishop but you have a possibility of smothered mating the opponent, but it cannot be forced. Does the computer factor this in? or is it way too uncommon to get a smothered mate?
actually, if one side had insufficient material to checkmate vs king eg:2 knights and king vs king and the other side runs out of time then yes it is a draw, BUT if the other side still had a pawn then checkmate IS POSSIBLE if counterplay was the most unskilled possible(this is also true for one bishop and one knight)so if you had one of the combinations mentioned above and your opponent runs out of time then you win
How does that work out? The game should have drawn right when it reached K and N vs K and B
I think I get it now,you lost on time because your opponent could've gotten mate if this position was reached
Here's a link to a site that analyses this deeply: http://www.e4ec.org/immr.html
As far as I understand, checkmate must be totally impossible to draw, so in the situation king vs king + 2 knights, if the player with the king runs out of time, the player with the king + 2 knights is a winner.
It's worth studying this since this means that for white giving away the horse or taking the bisshop (in some hypothetical state of the end-game) would have resulted in a draw.
I had a king and 3 pawns today and my opponent only had his king left. I sacrificed my last remaining rook in order to kill his only pawn and was going to march my pawns up the board. I am not sure if he ran out of time but suddenly a message popped up that it was a draw based on insufficient material. I was pissed since I had just sacrificed my rook about 10 seconds earlier with my plan of marching my 3 pawns up with a piece of cake win. Pretty unbelievable, I think chess.com needs to fix their programing to allow a win if pawns are remaining and the other player runs out of time since according to the FIDE rules that if any series of moves could result in a check mate which would be the case following a promotion. Definitely a big glitch in the system that I learned today, if you're opponent is short on time and you are down to rook and pawns or king and pawns move quick. Also, this is something that can be exploited, if you are short on time with a worst position with king and pawns you could just let the time run out and pull a draw off that way. lol