Live Chess Server NEEDS these UPDATES!!

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krypton00

@ME_Mosharrof  Nice articlethumbup.png , support all ideas that you described there. I also decided to place my ideas in one place altogether :https://www.chess.com/blog/krypton00/thoughts-and-ideas-for-live-matches 

All of them were posted on Admins club(with no attention). 

I will be glad if they will be taken into account.

 

ME_Mosharrof

@krypton00: Great work

VIDYUTGANESH

what is the sync scores button function?

ME_Mosharrof
VIDYUTGANESH wrote:

what is the sync scores button function?

It recalculates the team match scores. If any player’s account gets closed, admins can press this button and adjust the scores.

VIDYUTGANESH

thanks!

VIDYUTGANESH

@me_mosharrof, could you please check your messages?

ME_Mosharrof
PawnStormerE11 wrote:

those chess examples of trying to lose was so funny

Yeah! I'm sure the victims didn't enjoy those  

HexyAndINoed
ME_Mosharrof wrote:

Tournaments: There is no rating restriction for arena. U1800, U1900 Arena can be interesting in some cases.

Swiss tournaments created by one admin can't be cancelled by another! That's weird.

With 8 players joining at the beginning, there should be some option for playing 7 rounds. Automatically reducing the rounds isn't a great feature for small/inactive clubs.

Live Club Matches: Some features are available on live tournaments, but not in live club matches! But they are very important.

1. Players can't offer draw before 20 moves.

2. Minimum RATED games before joining.

Draws are always boring and more boring on top boards (after the very first move!). Also some new accounts can spoil the fun, as their ratings fluctuate a lot. Unfortunately, developers forgot both features in live club matches.

**Please remove the cancellation button once the join button becomes active. Also mention the person (or server) who cancelled the live club match.

**Prevent Sandbaggers: We don't have any tool for preventing sandbaggers. Maximum weekly rating, or Maximum rating in last 30 games, both are needed very badly. I've reported many silly games and sandbaggers are still enjoying their time here. Please introduce those features or we will see more of these games.

 

 

Live Club Leaderboard: The existing leaderboard can be called a dead one. It doesn't do any justice to the live club matches that are being played in LCWL, LCEL, LCPAL, as the list isn't getting updated. Also it considered only a few games & so many clubs are missing!! It should consider the latest 20-30 club matches and also give a win% stat (similar to Daily Club Leaderboard).

Among the existing features, "Sync scores" button isn’t working for live club matches. That could be another helpful feature. Sometimes players get banned even before the live club match is over!

Some of these features are already available on other sites. And Chess.com should include them asap to maintain their #1 status  

All I want is a better version of live chess server which can make the life easier for club admins.

In the case of the games,  it would have been better to share in PGN format instead of gif format.   The diagrams are really nice,  but the gifs are wonky and cumbersome.  

HexyAndINoed
ME_Mosharrof wrote:

That's ridiculous to see people trying hard to get checkmated

And all on a sudden, they play their finest game ever! Sandbaggers MUST BE PUNISHED.

What exactly is the incentive for sandbagging in this game?  I know you can make a lot of money in bowling or golf,  but for online chess it seems weird.   Also,  how many of these supposed sandbaggers might just be salty underachievers that decided to cheat,  hence "Finest game ever" ?    They could be in a whole barroom of people getting assistance from Russian guys with pocket protectors and smart phones. 

JFSebastianKnight

Online cheating is a big conundrum.

A bit like those old stories about hacking and virus spreading (computer viruses I mean)

But then I think basically it's a story where each side decides what Side to take, until sides don't get fuzzy at least wink.png 

ME_Mosharrof
HexyAndINoed wrote:

In the case of the games,  it would have been better to share in PGN format instead of gif format.   The diagrams are really nice,  but the gifs are wonky and cumbersome.  

What exactly is the incentive for sandbagging in this game? I know you can make a lot of money in bowling or golf, but for online chess it seems weird. Also, how many of these supposed sandbaggers might just be salty underachievers that decided to cheat, hence "Finest game ever" ? They could be in a whole barroom of people getting assistance from Russian guys with pocket protectors and smart phones.

There are couple of reasons behind including GIFs. 

1. I don't wanna break the site's policy by publicly shaming someone.

2. I could change the username on PGN. But already my forum is a long one & GIFs can be placed side by side. Also the timing indicates how eager they were to lose those games (many people won't even go through the PGNs).

# Sandbagging is some kind of disease. So many people care about online rating, but they don't! There is no prize for U1600 event, but their presence will have an impact on almost every board. For example, if someone sandbagged in this match, that's not just unfair to the opponent he faced, but also unfair to the entire opponent team.

HexyAndINoed
ME_Mosharrof wrote:
HexyAndINoed wrote:

In the case of the games,  it would have been better to share in PGN format instead of gif format.   The diagrams are really nice,  but the gifs are wonky and cumbersome.  

What exactly is the incentive for sandbagging in this game? I know you can make a lot of money in bowling or golf, but for online chess it seems weird. Also, how many of these supposed sandbaggers might just be salty underachievers that decided to cheat, hence "Finest game ever" ? They could be in a whole barroom of people getting assistance from Russian guys with pocket protectors and smart phones.

There are couple of reasons behind including GIFs. 

1. I don't wanna break the site's policy by publicly shaming someone.

2. I could change the username on PGN. But already my forum is a long one & GIFs can be placed side by side. Also the timing indicates how eager they were to lose those games (many people won't even go through the PGNs).

# Sandbagging is some kind of disease. So many people care about online rating, but they don't! There is no prize for U1600 event, but their presence will have an impact on almost every board. For example, if someone sandbagged in this match, that's not just unfair to the opponent he faced, but also unfair to the entire opponent team.

There's also the issue of who decides what is sandbagging?  I don't have much background in chess,  but if it's anything like DBD people can play VERY differently on a good day vs on a bad day.   A person can get tripped up by a new map,  or just not play in their best condition and look like they are hardcore throwing the game or rank boosted,  then next game dominate in a smooth and one sided fashion.  The cases you posted in the OP seemed obvious enough but where exactly do you draw the line?  Is it just a whim of a staff or mod?  Would we have a player tribunal to vote on what seemed legitimate and what seemed unbelievable?  

ME_Mosharrof

Losing in this fashion isn't something natural for any 1600 rated (Blitz) player. And yeah, all days of the week are not the same. But that was the very same day, right before some league match. Coincidence? I don't think so  Having a rating above 1600 won't even allow them to join the match. That's why sandbaggers lowered the rating intentionally and ruined the fun for so many players over the years. I'm not here to re-define sandbagging, it is already defined by Chess.com

  • Do not artificially manipulate ratings, matches, or game outcomes
HexyAndINoed
ME_Mosharrof wrote:

Losing in this fashion isn't something natural for any 1600 rated (Blitz) player. And yeah, all days of the week are not the same. But that was the very same day, right before some league match. Coincidence? I don't think so  Having a rating above 1600 won't even allow them to join the match. That's why sandbaggers lowered the rating intentionally and ruined the fun for so many players over the years. I'm not here to re-define sandbagging, it is already defined by Chess.com

  • Do not artificially manipulate ratings, matches, or game outcomes

Sure,  but according to who?   I find that people have wildly different opinions of what is expected from different ranks or ratings in any game and I am quite confident it will be the same here in chess.

 

In Overwatch you can have a top 1% player look at a newbie and think "Oh wow this person is so talented just work on A B and C and they will be right up there with me" because they are not very good at assessing people of very different skill levels.  Meanwhile,  the person is actually FURTHER than they think.  Similarly,  people of very low skill brackets will completely misinterpret people significantly above them,  and a mediocre veteran could pass themselves off as one of the best in the world or a cheater.

 

There's a lot of subjectivity involved,  and I think we would need explicit guidelines and criteria for all but the most outrageous cases.