2 Joke chess puzzles, very nice

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jreyes33

I found these in Wikipedia under the "Joke chess problem" title. The position of the pawns is unusual, but solving these is nice (the first one is mate in 6, the second one is mate in 8).


niaz
i like very hard puzzle
RISHABBULUSU

Too hard

ChessMaster960

Is this a joke?

jreyes33
ChessMaster960 wrote:

Is this a joke?

Yes.

Chessisfunforme
First puzzle Bb1 b2 Ra2 b3 Ra3 b4 Ra4 b5 Ra5 b6 Be4# Second puzzle O-O Kxa7 Rd8 Kxa6 Rd7 Kxa5 Rd6 Kxa4 Rd5 Kxa3 Rd4 Kxa2 Rd3 Ka1 Ra3#
Chessisfunforme

It is not legal

eric0022
Chessisfunforme wrote:

It is not legal

 

I assume you are referring to post #7.

 

As I understand it, the castling rules were not as strict in the past. As long as a rook has not moved yet. the king can castle with that rook. In the case of an e-pawn promotion, the newly promoted rook has not moved yet (before that it was a pawn so those pawn movements are irrelevant in the consideration). Hence castling with that rook was valid provided the other conditions are also met. Today, the rules that we know include the fact that castling is only allowed with a rook that lies on the same rank as the king, hence castling with a promoted e8 rook is now forbidden.

eric0022

 

White to move, mate in 1. No computer program at the moment will be able to find this.

 

Hint: Think outside the box.

JamesAgadir
eric0022 a écrit :

 

White to move, mate in 1. No computer program at the moment will be able to find this.

 

Hint: Think outside the box.

Qg9#? It is outside the box

eric0022

@JamesAgadir

 

Yes, that is correct! I posted the above as it falls under the category joke puzzles.

Chessisfunforme

it has to be a or h pawn promotion, but the king will have to move to e8 or the rook will move to a1 ,so it is illegal.Caught you today.

Chessisfunforme

think outside the box,eric0022,like you did in the problem you posted.

eric0022
Chessisfunforme wrote:

think outside the box,eric0022,like you did in the problem you posted.

 

The castling rule with the e pawn was not illegal at the time. I am not making this up, you can do a google search on vertical castling. The rules were not that strict then. Unfortunately I was not born yet then.

 

 

The rules of castling at the time were that castling could occur if the king and a rook has not moved yet. In the above example, we see that the newly promoted e8 rook has not moved at the time of its 'birth'. Assuming all other conditions are met, the king could castle with the e8 rook, o-o-o-o. The final castled position in this case would comprise an e3 White king and an e2 White rook. No part of the rule suggested that this move was considered illegal at the time since it met all the pre-requisites of castling. To castle in such a manner would be thinking outside the box.

 

Of course now the rule restricts this to a rook on the starting rank of each player. so castling with a newly promoted e8 rook is illegal.

 

There are many other rules in the past (now abolished), such as promoting a pawn to a piece of the opponent's colour (promoting a White pawn to a Black knight) and so on.

eric0022

@LilBoat21

 

It once used to be legal, but no longer legal as of today.