Bex1p wrote:
Truce?
Actually, this does answer the initial question I asked when viewing this thread.
nothing to see here
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oinquarki wrote:
I just did this out of curiosity and it made me laugh so I'm posting it.
However that was pointless, what was so funny?
Bex1p wrote:
oinquarki wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
Im sure all cultures look up at the stars a bit as you put it. Asisde from everyting thats been said have you thought about why they do that? Why humans feel as though they belong up in the stars? Or why ancient civilisations wherever they were on the planet regardless of whether or not they met each other, felt the need to map the heavens instead of building the worlds first disneyland? Why did they build such megalithic structures that aligned perfectly with the constellations and from where did they obtain this knowledge? Especially in Sumer when the worlds first civilisation seemed to just sprout from the sand all of a sudden? Why did the Incans claim that their pyramids were built by the gods? Why did Egypts pharoahs claim descendancy from the gods? Why were their gods depicted so similarly? How did the Sumerians know of planets we only were able to see in the last 100yrs. How were such huge stones dragged up mountains at machu picchu? How was a mountain levelled in Peru and why were the nazca lines put there and by who when the best way to see them is from the air. My astronomical knowledge isnt the best if im being honest but there are other areas i can talk about which still defy explaination. If you have any answers for any of the above id be happy to hear them and discuss them iin a more grown up manner if you are willing. Truce?
Truce?? Do you mean to imply that we were in a fight of some sort?
that was meant for goldendog
Do you mean to imply that you and goldendog were in a fight of some sort?
See?
Bex1p wrote:
oinquarki wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
Im sure all cultures look up at the stars a bit as you put it. Asisde from everyting thats been said have you thought about why they do that? Why humans feel as though they belong up in the stars? Or why ancient civilisations wherever they were on the planet regardless of whether or not they met each other, felt the need to map the heavens instead of building the worlds first disneyland? Why did they build such megalithic structures that aligned perfectly with the constellations and from where did they obtain this knowledge? Especially in Sumer when the worlds first civilisation seemed to just sprout from the sand all of a sudden? Why did the Incans claim that their pyramids were built by the gods? Why did Egypts pharoahs claim descendancy from the gods? Why were their gods depicted so similarly? How did the Sumerians know of planets we only were able to see in the last 100yrs. How were such huge stones dragged up mountains at machu picchu? How was a mountain levelled in Peru and why were the nazca lines put there and by who when the best way to see them is from the air. My astronomical knowledge isnt the best if im being honest but there are other areas i can talk about which still defy explaination. If you have any answers for any of the above id be happy to hear them and discuss them iin a more grown up manner if you are willing. Truce?
Truce?? Do you mean to imply that we were in a fight of some sort?
but my point will be ignored im sure.
Do you mean to imply that you had a point of some sort?
trysts wrote:
Is this about bible aliens? Or, is this about a giant moth?
Again, reminiscing.
Im not posting again until somebody has something worthwhile to say.
Bex1p wrote:
Im not posting again until somebody has something worthwhile to say.
I'm somewhat doubting of that; until then, let's talk about food. Who likes pancakes more than waffles here?
Bex1p wrote:
Im not posting again until somebody has something worthwhile to say.
If you don't post unless there's something worthwhile to say, then why does this thread exist?
GatheredDust wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
Im not posting again until somebody has something worthwhile to say.
I'm somewhat doubting of that; until then, let's talk about food. Who likes pancakes more than waffles here?
Well, you see - it's complicated; Even though pancakes taste better, waffles are better. Kind of like how (pardon the extremely nerdy reference) Victor Krum gets the Snitch, but his team still loses.
EDIT: I just realized this post 420;
oinquarki wrote:
GatheredDust wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
Im not posting again until somebody has something worthwhile to say.
I'm somewhat doubting of that; until then, let's talk about food. Who likes pancakes more than waffles here?
Well, you see - it's complicated; Even though pancakes taste better, waffles are better. Kind of like how (pardon the extremely nerdy reference) Victor Krum gets the Snitch, but his team still loses.
How about when a man knows the meaning of life, but is blind, dumb, and illiterate?
oinquarki wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
Im not posting again until somebody has something worthwhile to say.
If you don't post unless there's something worthwhile to say, then why does this thread exist?
A valid question when the majority seem so ignorant. However there are a few who are not so and i continue to speak to them privately.
Bex1p wrote:
oinquarki wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
Im not posting again until somebody has something worthwhile to say.
If you don't post unless there's something worthwhile to say, then why does this thread exist?
A valid question when the majority seem so ignorant. However there are a few who are not so and i continue to speak to them privately.
GatheredDust wrote:
oinquarki wrote:
GatheredDust wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
Im not posting again until somebody has something worthwhile to say.
I'm somewhat doubting of that; until then, let's talk about food. Who likes pancakes more than waffles here?
Well, you see - it's complicated; Even though pancakes taste better, waffles are better. Kind of like how (pardon the extremely nerdy reference) Victor Krum gets the Snitch, but his team still loses.
How about when a man knows the meaning of life, but is blind, dumb, and illiterate?
What?
oinquarki wrote:
GatheredDust wrote:
oinquarki wrote:
GatheredDust wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
Im not posting again until somebody has something worthwhile to say.
I'm somewhat doubting of that; until then, let's talk about food. Who likes pancakes more than waffles here?
Well, you see - it's complicated; Even though pancakes taste better, waffles are better. Kind of like how (pardon the extremely nerdy reference) Victor Krum gets the Snitch, but his team still loses.
How about when a man knows the meaning of life, but is blind, dumb, and illiterate?
What?
Sorry about that. The aliens covered my words with their LIES!!!
goldendog wrote:
Bex1p wrote:
When i say south americans i am includin bolivia , mexico, peru etc as i am talking broadly about the mayans, incans, toltecs, olmecs etc. As for your cats i might as well start calling my tabby a lion. They are a completely different species to the lion found in the zodiac which is what was represented by these people. Also you missed the point which was how did people in central america if you will have knowledge of the sumerian zodiac? It wasnt just leo but every other sign was virtually identical.
Really?
Prove it.
Enough blah blah blah.
Shortcut: "Oh, I can't prove it. I have no evidence. I back off my claim."
That would have been much less painful, wouldn't it?
All that's left is for you to actually say it instead of obfuscating.
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Bex1p wrote:
Im sure all cultures look up at the stars a bit as you put it. Asisde from everyting thats been said have you thought about why they do that? Why humans feel as though they belong up in the stars? Or why ancient civilisations wherever they were on the planet regardless of whether or not they met each other, felt the need to map the heavens instead of building the worlds first disneyland?
they looked at the stars because they didn't have watches and daily planners to keep track of the time and days. they needed to know when it was going to get hot, when it was going to get cold, when to plant crops, when to gather them. they had a giant canvas of dots over their heads at night and stared at it and figured out they could figure those things out based on where the dots were at any given time. also, they're pretty.
Why did they build such megalithic structures that aligned perfectly with the constellations and from where did they obtain this knowledge?
it was a religion. stars were magic, and thus became part of the magicness of religion. of course, you have a prefect unwinable/unlosable argument with the religion part. some people look at the religions and think that is how societies form religions and how their religions evolve. others (and you) would look at it and say all of the people had religions along similar progress, so they must have been connected by a higher power (or aliens). but regardless, there is no proof one way or the other, thus the unwinable and unlosable argument.
regardless of the source of the religion, the monuments where built for that. the stars (whether because of aliens or because of the magical time telling) played an important role, thus monuments attached to the stars.
as for how they got the knowledge, i am not going to give up on human ingenuity. i don't know how the photocopier works, but that doesn't mean i don't think someone, or group of someones, didn't figure out how to build it without the help of a higher power/alien. people are smart. so, they figured out how to build things.
although they are very impressive, keep in mind that a toddler can stack blocks. so, the design of the building is pretty easy to figure out. if skyscrapers and suspension bridges had been built be ancient people before they had complex math, then sure, aliens would have been an important part.
Especially in Sumer when the worlds first civilisation seemed to just sprout from the sand all of a sudden? Why did the Incans claim that their pyramids were built by the gods?
i don't know enough about these to comment.
Why did Egypts pharoahs claim descendancy from the gods?
power and control would be my first though.
Why were their gods depicted so similarly? How did the Sumerians know of planets we only were able to see in the last 100yrs.
i don't know enough about these to comment.
How were such huge stones dragged up mountains at machu picchu? How was a mountain levelled in Peru
slaves and whips. ropes, levers, tree trunks used as rollers (i believe some team of scientists actually used a bunch of logs to roll a large stone from the quarry to whatever temple was built to show this. instead of whips though, i think they paid the laborers). so, basically, it is back to human ingenuity, slaves, and whips.
and why were the nazca lines put there and by who when the best way to see them is from the air.
why? who knows why? ok, so for the same reason as the other monuments. to please their gods that lived in the stars. their gods lived in teh stars, the debate more centers around whether or not their gods were aliens or imaginary friends they used to explain the unexplainable things around them.
My astronomical knowledge isnt the best if im being honest but there are other areas i can talk about which still defy explaination. If you have any answers for any of the above id be happy to hear them and discuss them iin a more grown up manner if you are willing. Truce?
that's as grown up as my manor can be. hope it was satisfactory.
This has turned into quite the heated debate since I last visited :O
Its very interesting though. Just wish I knew enough to contribute.
Science has a range beyond which its equipments cannot go, and for this I guess we must just rely on our faith and listen to the thoughts and 'beliefes' of eachother.
Thank you planeden you have made some fair points.
And yes it was satisfactory. The ancient people all across the world did build computers and calenders made of stone and undoubtably they were useful for all types of things, however planting crops was the first thing any civilisation did, after a couple of generations or so it would become second nature as to when to do this, they would not need a massive edifice to tell them when to do it and therefore i cannot possibly imagine so much effort was put in for this purpose assuming that they must have had an intricate knowledge of astronomy and mathematics before they knew when to plant crops.
As for the buildings especially in mesoamerica the Incans\Mayans claimed that they were always there and claimed that they were built by the gods, assumedly the white haired giants, from their "first sun" as i mentioned before, history doesnt provide any answers as to who built these structures, only that they were occupied by each succeeding civilisation.
People are smart, now. However they werent as so before the sumerians appeared on the scene, after that civilisation blossomed unexplainably, the sumerians were credited with over 100 of the "firsts" including the zodiac, calender, medicine, language, mathematics, astronomy, atc etc. I find it difficult to understand how all of this and more could have been learned in next to no time at all without help, also ingenuity aside, they had knowledge they could not have possibly had, yet they did and many of their tablets are a testament to this and also describe how they obtained the information. You said you cant comment on that so i implore you to seek out some of those tablets (i have posted one or two) and see for yourself.
Time passed, and the egyptians arrived on the scene, who undoubtably were aware of the sumerians and would have learned from their expertise which explains some of the similarities between the two, but Egypt was to become the next great civilisation. Yes power and contol were important to the pharoahs, but they had that already, why would it be necessary to say that they were descended from the gods? Kingship in my opinion was handed down by the gods after a very long period stretching back perhaps half a million years or more when the gods themselves ruled on earth. It was these "gods" who gave, piece by piece, the knowledge to men and earth. (As depicted on an ancient sumerian seal where En.lil is pictured granting the plough to mankind)
Slaves and whips are pretty handy when you want something done, today we use guns and bombs but in order to use rollers you would have to first get the blocks that weigh in excess of 100tons each onto the rollers in the first place also rollers arent a very good idea when you are trying to get these things up a mountain.
These people were convinced that their gods had visited and that they would return, they were in no doubt that they were actual physical beings as opposed to some faceless ether and this is why moctezuma presented cortes with many artifacts believing that the spaniards were in fact returning gods.
Im sure all cultures look up at the stars a bit as you put it. Asisde from everyting thats been said have you thought about why they do that? Why humans feel as though they belong up in the stars? Or why ancient civilisations wherever they were on the planet regardless of whether or not they met each other, felt the need to map the heavens instead of building the worlds first disneyland? Why did they build such megalithic structures that aligned perfectly with the constellations and from where did they obtain this knowledge? Especially in Sumer when the worlds first civilisation seemed to just sprout from the sand all of a sudden? Why did the Incans claim that their pyramids were built by the gods? Why did Egypts pharoahs claim descendancy from the gods? Why were their gods depicted so similarly? How did the Sumerians know of planets we only were able to see in the last 100yrs. How were such huge stones dragged up mountains at machu picchu? How was a mountain levelled in Peru and why were the nazca lines put there and by who when the best way to see them is from the air. My astronomical knowledge isnt the best if im being honest but there are other areas i can talk about which still defy explaination. If you have any answers for any of the above id be happy to hear them and discuss them iin a more grown up manner if you are willing. Truce?
Truce?? Do you mean to imply that we were in a fight of some sort?
that was meant for goldendog, but my point will be ignored im sure.