Are Guns Evil?

He can stab him in the cojones. 

I'm sorry if it seems I'm not taking your position seriously. It's just that idealism doesn't stand up well against a 30.06.

Regards,

Lou

Hi! Some are far-fetched, I agree. To you and me both. But some people are very serious about them. Also, in America, millions of people hunt. It's a fact, look it up. And you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But your opinion doesn't give you the right to ake away my gun. That's my opinion, and my opinon is backed by the Constitution :)

Regards,

Lou

Gun proponents seem to always end their arguments with a "MY GUN WILL TAKE CARE OF..."blahblahbla" almost always menacingly, I've noticed.

Will you feel weak, vulnerable, helpless like a little girl if you did not have guns to threaten those who disagree?

If I misread your post, I apologize.

I believe this is addressed to me. I don't see a need to apoligize for an opinion; although I believe the smiley face at the end of my post isn't very menacing. I see no menace in the rest of the post now that I looked again. Also, I never insulted anyone by, for example, saying they're "like a little girl."

Regards,

Lou

Well,  then you are not one of those characters who whip out their "talk to my gun" menace when they have no intellectual argument in the face of pacific idealism.

The insult only applies to those characters.

Good. I hope this means we can agree that there are intellectual arguments that can be made in the face of pacific idealism :)

(OMG! Why can't I just let this thread die a merciful death like a horse with a broken leg shot through the brain with a Smith & Wesson .38?)

Regards,

Lou

If guns didn't exist,there wouldn't be 32,000 deaths by guns in the US per year.That would be fantastic. Now some crazies might argue that we could kill people by pushing them out of windows etc., but some people wouldn't murder if they didn't have such a high powered effective killing machine (guns) standing at the ready. Lazy or spur of the moment killers,or the cowardly criminals who need to hide behind a gun. If only one murder could be prevented it would be a moral victory. If we refuse to pick up this good thing, then we are accepting an evil. So, yes guns are evil.

There are passages in the history of humanity when Evil becomes insidiously very powerful. The common good man will retreat to whereever he can hide before Evil's menaces (you are either with Evil or against Evil) - it is how Hitler came to power and his genocidal reign lasted those years.

And the gatekeepers of God's land shall remember and not cower:

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Just for some dramatic effect

An Aussie comic's take on the argument... http://youtu.be/fP3HJVp3n9c

Did you know, Till_98, that in the history of the world more people have been killed with a bow and arrow than all other weapons combined? By "normal" people do you mean people that are law abiding citizens? I take it that you don't mean criminals because they are not normal. So you would take away a "normal" persons means of defending themselves from a "not normal" person who isn't abiding by the rules and laws of the land? Your argument is nieve and fails to recognize that there are people in the world that will never obey the law. "Normal" people don't use guns to murder and commit other acts of aggression like robbery and rape. And the absence of guns would not make our world better. It would just mean that criminals would use some other weapon. That absence of crime would make our world better.

No crime means no law. Absense of law means anarchy. 

Better for people like me but not better for the world at large.

Genius.

No, with normal people I also meant the criminals. I mean the average persons, wether they are criminal or not doesnt matter. The normal population. Of course I dont want criminals to have weapons, that wouldnt make sense at all, right? I want to abolish weapons for everyone, the army is one exception for example. One might even argue that you dont need an army when there are no enemies with weapons. And yes people were killed by bow and arrow, which simply illustrates that humans still havent learned from their mistakes. How unnessecary is it to fight against your own race? We are human beings...

I said it, if the avarage Joe can have a weapon for the average criminal is easier to get a weapon. Without counting with the accidents the guns cause.

If the weapons would be available only for the police and for people with training and a lots of psychological test cleared there will be much less deaths by guns every year.

What's the problem then? More than half of the gun users won't be able to pass that training and these tests, and the NRA and the weapons companies wouldn't earn as much as money.

Behind every gun user in America saying ''I am a man and i use guns because is my right'' there is a company using him as a cow to milk his money.

This is a beautful argument. I also admire Senior_Lazarus_Long's argument, and Feufollet's, and Till_98's and others.

One of these asks, so what's the problem? Let's begin with the elephant on the coffee table no one has mentioned. Who honestly believes the American public can be disarmed? If you do, enjoy your fantasy but I can only take you seriously for so long.

To begin, we'd have to repeal the Second Amendment. One way would be to hold a Constitunal Convention. Does anyone know what can happen at one of these? If you do, you're terrified by the notion. And since you would never get 3/4 of our Senators and Congressman to agree to this, it's a moot point.  If all 46 Democratic Senators vote for it, you'd still need 29 Republican votes. Please. 

The other way is to get 3/4 of the our state legislatures to vote in favor of a repeal. Look at a map, do the math, and if you come up with a number even close to 25 states, once again, enjoy your fantasy.

If a citizen does not have a felony conviction or a history of mental illness, it's illegal to take his guns.

So first tell me how to disarm good citizens, then we can chat about good and evil, and gun deaths and criminals and "pacific idiealism.'

Sure, it's a fun argument, but since it's not going to happen in the foreseeanble future, I really can't take all that "world would be a better place" stuff too seriously. 

Regards,

Lou

Actually i agree with you, Litwitlou. Law guns were wrong since the beginning, and since then, generations of Americans born and died under it. Is within them, and if it causes trouble they simply cannot see.

If there is a change it couldn't be from one day to another. It must be gradual and with a lot of effort.

"Gun have no respect for life" is your argument? LMAO

Guess you didn't hear that guns can't fire without a human pulling the trigger. Guess you didn't hear that knives can't stab without a human behind it. Guess you didn't hear that a car doesn't drive itself into a crowd full of people without a human behind it. Guess you didn't hear that a bow requires human interaction for it to function.

The sheer stupidity of your statement, going along the lines of the oh-so-old pathetic quip that "if guns didn't exist, violence would go away", as if the gun has a mind of it's own, is appalling. Get a freaking clue!

You must have one warped mind if you think guns are the cause of violence. Therefore, in a way, I am glad you do not have access to a gun, because mentally you strike me as being too stupid to handle one if you for one instant think that the statement "guns dont kill people - people kill people" is not 100% correct.

...unless, of course, Terminator age has arrived, and technology has taken over our guns... Then, sure, the gun all by itself would be responsible for the killing... Oh, wait, that is incorrect as well - The Artificial Intelligence controlling the gun had to do the killing, because... oh crap, here that fact pops up again: THE GUN CAN'T DO IT ON IT'S OWN.

Face it, guns aren't going anywhere. We responsible owners defy your arguments at every turn, refuting them and pointing out the sheer stupidity in your desperate clingy attempts to argue against them.

By the way, you should see the problem predator I blasted this morning on my hunt. 300 yards, right through the heart. Harassing/attacking local pets... my state Fish and Wildlife service said to by all means go and shoot it, or they could arrange for a contract hunter to do it. Thank you 2nd Amendment for allowing me to do it myself and save the state a good chunk of change that would have been spent on a contract hunter.  Out the door before the sun rose, back before lunch. Gosh, and here I thought guns only killed people, and didn't provide a necessary tool to do other things such as predator control... Oh wait, that was you... My bad. LOL

Anyway, take your "guns alone kill people" argument and shove it. It's old, and we good guys have already shot it down (oops, pardon the pun) time and time again, day after day, year after year. Your argument is invalid, and again, we're not going anywhere. 

your posts are too long and full of nonsense...I don't read them

you should take some writing class...terse, succinct, logical communication works well on me .

no wait, that won't help none with that jumbled mess you have for a brain.

did you sleep well, btw?