[California drought:] Global warming guacamole - Chess Forums

JamieDelarosa

Apr 25, 2015

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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417396/global-warming-guacamole-kevin-d-williamson

Global-Warming Guacamole

California doesn’t need a global carbon-emissions regime; it needs a better water system

That California’s catastrophic drought is a result of global warming has become a commonplace of contemporary political rhetoric. That truism isn’t true: Most scientific accounts of California’s current dry spell link recent low precipitation to naturally occurring atmospheric cycles, not to global warming. Indeed, most of the global-warming models relied upon by those advocating more-invasive environmental policies predict that warming would leave California with wetter winters — winter precipitation being critical to the snowpack-dependent state — rather than the drier winters at the root of the state’s current water crisis....

California presents the global-warming dispute in miniature. The Left, with the prominent advocacy of President Barack Obama, has argued that the challenge of global warming necessitates a new form of economic organization under political discipline. Never mind, for the moment, that the Left has been arguing for a new form of economic organization under political discipline for more than a century (the crisis changes every generation, but the identical solution endures); consider the actual choice presented by Sternbergh’s avocado. We could embark on a sprawling, unfocused, and unmanageable crusade to cajole and coerce the world — including the not-especially-cajolable gentlemen in Beijing — into reorganizing the entire human race’s means of sustenance in accordance with not especially well-defined atmospheric metrics. Or we could insist that California get its act together on the matter of water infrastructure.

Full article at the link, above

vacation4me

Apr 25, 2015

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Maybe they should have been building water resevoirs the past 30+ years instead of worrying about the (insert animal of the month here).

JamieDelarosa

Apr 25, 2015

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Near me, they have been tearing a dam down, in Matilija Canyon, that was built to supply ranchers with a year-long water source, back in 1948.

The dam also acted to help control floods. In time, it became complete filled with silt and othe clastic debris. (Nevertheless, it still held water in the pore spaces.) Rather than dredge the sediments and return them to the fluvial system, where they would eventually end up replenishing beach sands, the plan is to remove the dam completely.

Why? Historic steelhead trout territory.

primepawn

Apr 25, 2015

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expect the price of food to go uppity !

vacation4me

Apr 25, 2015

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primepawn wrote:

expect the price of food to go uppity !

That is why they shouldn't tear down the damn. The population of California has grown exponentially, but they haven't improved the intrastructure in my lifetime.

JamieDelarosa

Apr 25, 2015

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That is a modern picture of the dam and lake. Originally it was straight across the top, but it has been lowered by cutting a "notch" out of the top, to lower the spillway.

If you look carefully at the vegetation, you can pick out when maximum water used to be. Compare with this picture, circa 1965:

1828rule

Apr 28, 2015

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Why can't you use water from the ocean?

JamieDelarosa

Apr 28, 2015

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You can desalinize ocean water - it is what they do on naval vessels.

However, it is expensive. I have read estimates of up to 5x more expensive.

Here is an older news article about what they do on Santa Catalina Island, off shore from Los Angeles.

Knightly_News

Apr 28, 2015

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AaronGo wrote:

Maybe they should have been building water resevoirs the past 30+ years instead of worrying about the (insert animal of the month here).

You're just an animal.

Knightly_News

Apr 28, 2015

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JamieDelarosa wrote:

You can desalinize ocean water - it is what they do on naval vessels.

However, it is expensive. I have read estimates of up to 5x more expensive.

Here is an older news article about what they do on Santa Catalina Island, off shore from Los Angeles.

http://www.greenprophet.com/2014/12/graphene-nanotechnology-makes-desalination-100-times-more-efficient/

JamieDelarosa

Apr 28, 2015

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Thank you for the informative article.

kleelof

Apr 29, 2015

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I'm moving back to California next week. Should I bring my own water?

JamieDelarosa

Apr 29, 2015

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Really? Moving back from East Asia?

vacation4me

Apr 29, 2015

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kleelof wrote:

I'm moving back to California next week. Should I bring my own water?

We need your tax dollars more.

kleelof

Apr 29, 2015

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JamieDelarosa wrote:

Really? Moving back from East Asia?

Yes. I begin my trip back this morning in fact.

ECLAWS

Apr 30, 2015

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JamieDelarosa

Apr 30, 2015

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kleelof wrote:

JamieDelarosa wrote:

Really? Moving back from East Asia?

Yes. I begin my trip back this morning in fact.

Bon voyage

JamieDelarosa

May 6, 2015

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I had guacamole yesterday, for Cinco de Mayo.

The price of fresh avocados have dropped recently.

gaereagdag

May 6, 2015

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It's all caused by HAARP.

JamieDelarosa

May 31, 2015

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merlin66 wrote:

Regardless of the situation in California, greenhouse gas emissions are indeed causing the earth's surface temperature to rise thereby contributing to climate change. I really don't think anyone can disregard that fact.

Thank you for the comment, but geologic history disproves the supposed linkage between atmospheric CO2 and ambient temperature.