Can Science Disprove a Miracle?

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USArmyParatrooper wrote:
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What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

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Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
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USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

Well I did answer the first one. I'll go ahead and answer the rest.

PS: I have no use for faith. Faith is a bad pathway to truth.

"If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?"

There's no telling. In theory, he could be dumb as a box of rocks but incredibly powerful.

"Would a created world be created with no age? Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?"

Since it's all hypothetical, it could hypothetically be created with or without age. Edit: But technically not with literal age, because no matter how it's made - the age is still the age. But it could be created with all the appearance and attributes of an aged universe.

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USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
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Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

Well I did answer the first one. I'll go ahead and answer the rest.

PS: I have no use for faith. Faith is a bad pathway to truth.

"If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?"

There's no telling. In theory, he could be dumb as a box of rocks but incredibly powerful.

"Would a created world be created with no age? Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?"

Since it's all hypothetical, it could be hypothetically be created with or without age.

You don't know. Great answer. Thanks for sharing your faith.

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CaracticusPotts wrote:

Religion alert!Alert!

Nah, just discussing a topic, more or less assumptions made.

People seem to be fine knowing they just make assumptions based on their own circular reasoning.

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TheNameofNames wrote:

No ones got the balls to say that Christianity and its miracles are all in the mind

Seems to be just the opposite.

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Deadmanparty wrote:
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USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

Well I did answer the first one. I'll go ahead and answer the rest.

PS: I have no use for faith. Faith is a bad pathway to truth.

"If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?"

There's no telling. In theory, he could be dumb as a box of rocks but incredibly powerful.

"Would a created world be created with no age? Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?"

Since it's all hypothetical, it could be hypothetically be created with or without age.

You don't know. Great answer. Thanks for sharing your faith.

I do know the Genesis biblical account has been falsified.

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TheNameofNames wrote:

when we fully explore the brain THEN you will have answers but until then, its an eternity of waiting

Being willing to question assumptions just takes an open mind.

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USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
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Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

Well I did answer the first one. I'll go ahead and answer the rest.

PS: I have no use for faith. Faith is a bad pathway to truth.

"If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?"

There's no telling. In theory, he could be dumb as a box of rocks but incredibly powerful.

"Would a created world be created with no age? Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?"

Since it's all hypothetical, it could be hypothetically be created with or without age.

You don't know. Great answer. Thanks for sharing your faith.

I do know the Genesis biblical account has been falsified.

Thanks for sharing your heartfelt belief. True believer you are.

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Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
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USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

Well I did answer the first one. I'll go ahead and answer the rest.

PS: I have no use for faith. Faith is a bad pathway to truth.

"If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?"

There's no telling. In theory, he could be dumb as a box of rocks but incredibly powerful.

"Would a created world be created with no age? Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?"

Since it's all hypothetical, it could be hypothetically be created with or without age.

You don't know. Great answer. Thanks for sharing your faith.

I do know the Genesis biblical account has been falsified.

Thanks for sharing your heartfelt belief. True believer you are.

Instead of smuggling in your little snarky nonsense, how about making an actual argument for why you believe it has not been falsified.

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USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

Well I did answer the first one. I'll go ahead and answer the rest.

PS: I have no use for faith. Faith is a bad pathway to truth.

"If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?"

There's no telling. In theory, he could be dumb as a box of rocks but incredibly powerful.

"Would a created world be created with no age? Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?"

Since it's all hypothetical, it could be hypothetically be created with or without age.

You don't know. Great answer. Thanks for sharing your faith.

I do know the Genesis biblical account has been falsified.

Thanks for sharing your heartfelt belief. True believer you are.

Instead of smuggling in your little snarky nonsense, how about making an actual argument for why you believe it has not been falsified.

I am smuggling in nothing. I just have an open mind. Your mind is closed. You know what you know. You have faith that what you know is right. Perfectly secure circular reasoning.

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Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

Well I did answer the first one. I'll go ahead and answer the rest.

PS: I have no use for faith. Faith is a bad pathway to truth.

"If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?"

There's no telling. In theory, he could be dumb as a box of rocks but incredibly powerful.

"Would a created world be created with no age? Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?"

Since it's all hypothetical, it could be hypothetically be created with or without age.

You don't know. Great answer. Thanks for sharing your faith.

I do know the Genesis biblical account has been falsified.

Thanks for sharing your heartfelt belief. True believer you are.

Instead of smuggling in your little snarky nonsense, how about making an actual argument for why you believe it has not been falsified.

I am smuggling in nothing. I just have an open mind. Your mind is closed. You know what you know. You have faith that what you know is right. Perfectly secure circular reasoning.

Again, I have no use for faith. I have use for logic and reason. My mind open enough that I invited you to change it using logic and reason, and strangely you're avoiding doing so.

Circular reasoning is when someone makes an argument where the conclusion is also in at least one of the premises. I invite you to show me where I have done that.

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USArmyParatrooper wrote:
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Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

Well I did answer the first one. I'll go ahead and answer the rest.

PS: I have no use for faith. Faith is a bad pathway to truth.

"If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?"

There's no telling. In theory, he could be dumb as a box of rocks but incredibly powerful.

"Would a created world be created with no age? Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?"

Since it's all hypothetical, it could be hypothetically be created with or without age.

You don't know. Great answer. Thanks for sharing your faith.

I do know the Genesis biblical account has been falsified.

Thanks for sharing your heartfelt belief. True believer you are.

Instead of smuggling in your little snarky nonsense, how about making an actual argument for why you believe it has not been falsified.

I am smuggling in nothing. I just have an open mind. Your mind is closed. You know what you know. You have faith that what you know is right. Perfectly secure circular reasoning.

Again, I have no use for faith. I have use for logic and reason. My mind open enough that I invited you to change it using logic and reason, and strangely you're avoiding doing so.

Circular reasoning is when someone makes an argument where the conclusion is also in at least one of the premises. I invite you to show me where I have done that.

Again, everyone has faith. Sorry for having to point out how your beliefs are not actual truths. Wish you were more self aware.

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Circular reasoning...

Your assumptions about the creation account are facts not incorrect. God is a moron.

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Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:
USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

What miracle has been disproven? Claim of a miracle, yes, actual miracle?

It should go without saying that when someone discusses "disproving a miracle" they mean disproving a claimed miracle. You obviously cannot falsify (disprove) something that is true.

So can science falsify the creation account?

So to start, there is a claimed creation account written in Genesis. And yes, science has falsified many aspect of the plain reading of the text.

But if the creation account was true (actual miracle), science would be unable to falsify it.

Asking if science can disprove an actual miracle is like asking of a mathematician can write a mathematical proof that 1 + 1 does not equal 2.

Falsified the account or assumptions concerning it?

If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?

Would a created world be created with no age? The account states that Adam was created as a man, not a baby. Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?

Actual falsified account. No assumptions.

You never answered any of my questions. But if you just want to share your belief without discussion, that is fine. Thanks for sharing your faith.

Well I did answer the first one. I'll go ahead and answer the rest.

PS: I have no use for faith. Faith is a bad pathway to truth.

"If the account is true, how smart would that God be in comparison to us?"

There's no telling. In theory, he could be dumb as a box of rocks but incredibly powerful.

"Would a created world be created with no age? Would not all of creation be made with age already in place?"

Since it's all hypothetical, it could be hypothetically be created with or without age.

You don't know. Great answer. Thanks for sharing your faith.

I do know the Genesis biblical account has been falsified.

Thanks for sharing your heartfelt belief. True believer you are.

Instead of smuggling in your little snarky nonsense, how about making an actual argument for why you believe it has not been falsified.

I am smuggling in nothing. I just have an open mind. Your mind is closed. You know what you know. You have faith that what you know is right. Perfectly secure circular reasoning.

Again, I have no use for faith. I have use for logic and reason. My mind open enough that I invited you to change it using logic and reason, and strangely you're avoiding doing so.

Circular reasoning is when someone makes an argument where the conclusion is also in at least one of the premises. I invite you to show me where I have done that.

Again, everyone has faith. Sorry for having to point out how your beliefs are not actual truths. Wish you were more self aware.

Name a belief that I have that I did not reach using logic and reason. I'll wait.

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Deadmanparty wrote:

Circular reasoning...

Your assumptions about the creation account are facts not incorrect. God is a moron.

"Circular reasoning" isn't just a term you toss out to mean "I think you are wrong." It's a specific type of logical fallacy.

I honestly don't think you're equipped to have these types of conversations. Worse, you don't seem to even realize it. Dunning and Kruger were correct.

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USArmyParatrooper wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

Circular reasoning...

Your assumptions about the creation account are facts not incorrect. God is a moron.

"Circular reasoning" isn't just a term you toss out to mean "I think you are wrong." It's a specific type of logical fallacy.

I honestly don't think you're equipped to have these types of conversations. Worse, you don't seem to even realize it. Dunning and Kruger were correct.

Actually have a conversation. Actually think.

You throw some flippant comments out, blow me off, then claim I am incapable of a conversation. Pot calling the kettle black.

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I would argue about this, but it seems like this thread is going to be locked anytime so there’s no point. One comment I will make though is directed to post #28
I think you are mistaken. Science can only offer natural explanations of natural phenomena. That does not mean those explanations are the only way those so called “miracles” could have happened. A supernatural explanation could be offered. The natural explanation cannot rule out the supernatural explanation without evidence against the supernatural explanation. In the same way, the supernatural explanation cannot rule out the natural explanation without evidence against the natural explanation.
All in all, there could be two explanations of an event, and without evidence against either one we cannot rule each one out.
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It’s not like I can actually do anything for Ukraine right now. I’m filling my time with what I can do
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I do feel bad for them, but I can’t do anything for them either.
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So far not a single person is willing to discuss the matter.

Just name call and belittle. I suppose such closed minded bigotry is to be expected.