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Hahnda wrote:

People don't like the second hand smoke because they say it will give them cancer/asthma/etc. People don't like the second hand smoke because of the smell.

What people need to realize is that the quality of the air in your average city is toxic and filled with airborne particulates which you cannot smell and which are very dangerous; from these pollutants you cannot escape. Second hand smoke is only a drop in the bucket, so to speak, compared to all the other toxins in the air we breathe.

It's a shame that we can barely breathe the air, and we can barely drink the tap water anymore because they are both polluted.

Most tap water contains traces of pharmaceutical drugs and metabolites which were urinated out by those taking those drugs/medicines and which cannot be effectively removed by water treatment plants. Also, the chlorine and fluorine are nasty chemicals in the tap water. I don't want these things in my water, can we ban them please?

The uproar over second hand smoke is just another way to distract you from all the other pollutants in the environment.

A drop in the bucket? 14,612 people were murdered in the U.S. two years ago. Does it matter if one person died? Of course not according to your logic. It's just a drop in the bucket. 

Try telling all this to a child that has lung cancer because their parents smoke. Better yet, address all the families and people that have been affected by secondhand smoke. I highly doubt you would have the courage to stand up to so many people.

The pollutants in the air are severely dilluted and our bodies can adapt to processing many of the toxins in the air. Am I saying that our air is clean? No I am not. It's just that air pollutants can lead to a lower quality of life sure, but second hand smoke can kill. 

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frank124c wrote:
SPARTANEMESIS wrote:
frank124c wrote:

I used to play chess in a park. People would sit down and watch the games and light up a cigarette and blow the smoke in my face. And they couldn't understand why I got mad! Now we have formed a chess club in the public library and in Mayor Bloomberg's libraries smoking is verbooten and I say thank you Bloomberg. I'm not your fan, would never vote for you but at least you saved me from a disgusting cancer causing gas attack. I believe there should be a death penalty for anyone who smokes. Even if they smoke in their own house, they are doing harm to their family members. Normally I am against the death penalty but they're going to die anyway from their obnoxious weed so why not give me the pleasure of watching them hang?

Really?  Frank124c I think I recall reading you live somewhere in the NYC area at one point.  I used to live in Yonkers, I've worked in Manhattan; so I know you're suggesting a lot of penalties in your city. If we implement the death penalty for smokers, why stop there?  Should we implement such a penalty as well for people who drive drunk and by their carelessness cause the death of another person?  If so, why stop there?  Should we implement the penalty for people who drive slow in the left lane (in the NYC area it's not uncommon to encounter people driving 90 MPH) and cause an accident which results in someone's death?  And if so, why stop there?  Should we implement the death penalty for someone who eats far more than they require while others die of starvation?  And if so, should we implement the same penalty for abusive people who by their words or actions cause another to commit suicide?

I was not serious about the death penalty, I am against the death penalty, and I am against war and abortion as well  but make no mistake about it, blowing smoke into someone's face is a form of physical assault. Second hand smoke does cause cancer. Tobacco is a drug and it should be outlawed. Just restricting its use is of no help since people do smoke in their homes and it has been shown that second hand smoke is harmful to children. As for drunk drivers, people are killed by drunk drivers and the laws against drunk driving are not severe enough. Over eating does not cause harm to others because food is plentiful here in the US. Food shortages do exist in some parts of the world but the cost of shipping food from the US to those places is prohibitive. I am against floridation of water and I believe it does cause cancer. Air pollution and water pollution also are problems to be dealt with. And it is very annoying to be trying to play a game of chess in the park and have someone who has nothing to do with the game to sit down, light up his cigarette and blow  smoke in your face! I am from NYC and  I do give Mayor Bloomberg credit for outlawing cigarette smoking in public parks even though I do not like him and I believe he bought the election.

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I believe in personal liberty. A person should be able to choose to do what they want to do as long as they are going to accept the consequences of their actions.

With second hand smoke, smokers infringe on my personal space/liberty.

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stop smokin' dude, really its bad 4 u!!

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Stay away from the "pot" tournaments.

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distopia wrote:

Smoking is good for your health.

I agree that it can be in one way.  I'm probably not the only person who's seen someone about to blow a fuse (in the U.S. and in the military this can be very messy with all the firearms floating around) and instead they just say: "I need to go light one up."  And after they're done they're good. If we are to outlaw smoking because it's a drug, then should we outlaw liquor as well?  Not in my opinion, NYC is great; the fact that the bars and clubs are open 'til 4AM is one of my favorite things about it.  (For those of you not from the U.S. in most parts of our country bars and clubs close at 2AM. For those of you living in countries where you can party all night and enjoy it, Las Vegas is the spot to visit if you're planning a visit.  Just don't gamble all your money away.)

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Oh, you were talking about tobacco in post 34.  

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TROLL!! Am I the only one who sees this?

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Yep. You've obviously not met many smokers.

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ivandh wrote:

Oh yeah, now I remember why I don't like smokers. They're pricks.

Pricks are pricks, smokers are smokers, some people are both.  Seriously though some people are smokers because of all the pricks in the world.  I believe that pricks will be pricks regardless of their exposure to smokers.

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Tjornan wrote:
Hahnda wrote:

People don't like the second hand smoke because they say it will give them cancer/asthma/etc. People don't like the second hand smoke because of the smell.

What people need to realize is that the quality of the air in your average city is toxic and filled with airborne particulates which you cannot smell and which are very dangerous; from these pollutants you cannot escape. Second hand smoke is only a drop in the bucket, so to speak, compared to all the other toxins in the air we breathe.

It's a shame that we can barely breathe the air, and we can barely drink the tap water anymore because they are both polluted.

Most tap water contains traces of pharmaceutical drugs and metabolites which were urinated out by those taking those drugs/medicines and which cannot be effectively removed by water treatment plants. Also, the chlorine and fluorine are nasty chemicals in the tap water. I don't want these things in my water, can we ban them please?

The uproar over second hand smoke is just another way to distract you from all the other pollutants in the environment.

A drop in the bucket? 14,612 people were murdered in the U.S. two years ago. Does it matter if one person died? Of course not according to your logic. It's just a drop in the bucket. 

Try telling all this to a child that has lung cancer because their parents smoke. Better yet, address all the families and people that have been affected by secondhand smoke. I highly doubt you would have the courage to stand up to so many people.

The pollutants in the air are severely dilluted and our bodies can adapt to processing many of the toxins in the air. Am I saying that our air is clean? No I am not. It's just that air pollutants can lead to a lower quality of life sure, but second hand smoke can kill. 

There are over 190,000 deaths per year due to medical mistakes in the USA. Essentially, those are deaths at the hands of medical professionals. One can throw out all these scary statistics to get people angry, I can play that game too.

I don't need to face the "child that has lung cancer because their parents smoke" but those parents sure do. I don't smoke. I don't advocate smoking. I think you took my comment "a drop in the bucket" out of context by your following statement which assumes I don't care about the loss of life. In fact, it's quite the opposite, I care greatly about life, that is why I mentioned all those other toxins which are poisoning us on a much larger scale than second hand smoke. I guess you are one of those people that think the solution to pollution is dilution. I think the solution is elimination. How long will those toxins remain "severely dilluted?" The earth's atmosphere is a closed system.

I still hold my position that compared to all of the pollution in our environment, second hand smoke is a drop in the bucket.

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Why do you think the earth's atmosphere is a closed system? 

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Maybe it's to prevent the pricks from polluting the rest of the universe with toxic waste.

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Hahnda wrote:
Tjornan wrote:
Hahnda wrote:

People don't like the second hand smoke because they say it will give them cancer/asthma/etc. People don't like the second hand smoke because of the smell.

What people need to realize is that the quality of the air in your average city is toxic and filled with airborne particulates which you cannot smell and which are very dangerous; from these pollutants you cannot escape. Second hand smoke is only a drop in the bucket, so to speak, compared to all the other toxins in the air we breathe.

It's a shame that we can barely breathe the air, and we can barely drink the tap water anymore because they are both polluted.

Most tap water contains traces of pharmaceutical drugs and metabolites which were urinated out by those taking those drugs/medicines and which cannot be effectively removed by water treatment plants. Also, the chlorine and fluorine are nasty chemicals in the tap water. I don't want these things in my water, can we ban them please?

The uproar over second hand smoke is just another way to distract you from all the other pollutants in the environment.

A drop in the bucket? 14,612 people were murdered in the U.S. two years ago. Does it matter if one person died? Of course not according to your logic. It's just a drop in the bucket. 

Try telling all this to a child that has lung cancer because their parents smoke. Better yet, address all the families and people that have been affected by secondhand smoke. I highly doubt you would have the courage to stand up to so many people.

The pollutants in the air are severely dilluted and our bodies can adapt to processing many of the toxins in the air. Am I saying that our air is clean? No I am not. It's just that air pollutants can lead to a lower quality of life sure, but second hand smoke can kill. 

There are over 190,000 deaths per year due to medical mistakes in the USA. Essentially, those are deaths at the hands of medical professionals. One can throw out all these scary statistics to get people angry, I can play that game too.

I don't need to face the "child that has lung cancer because their parents smoke" but those parents sure do. I don't smoke. I don't advocate smoking. I think you took my comment "a drop in the bucket" out of context by your following statement which assumes I don't care about the loss of life. In fact, it's quite the opposite, I care greatly about life, that is why I mentioned all those other toxins which are poisoning us on a much larger scale than second hand smoke. I guess you are one of those people that think the solution to pollution is dilution. I think the solution is elimination. How long will those toxins remain "severely dilluted?" The earth's atmosphere is a closed system.

I still hold my position that compared to all of the pollution in our environment, second hand smoke is a drop in the bucket.

During the Vietnam War I protested as loudly as I could. And someone said to me, "More people are dying in car accidents than in the war." Does this mean we should have stopped protesting the war? Of course not! We needed to continue protesting the war and to protest against those who cause car accidents. The same is true about tobacco we need to protest both.

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I've been in more accidents than I can count on one hand, however only one in a four-wheeled vehicle that I was driving, I was rear-ended by a kid.  Two were on motorcycles that I was driving, no one was seriously hurt in any of these.  In all of the other accidents I was a passenger.  I''m still interested to hear how you feel about outlawing liquor?

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Smoking damages brain cells which slows down the thinking process which lead you to lose your game through time forfeit. Smoking is bad for your game.

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ivandh wrote:

1. Second-hand. Even a lot of smokers don't like the smell of smoke. Why the hell should I have to put up with it when I'm not the one getting high? This is the only reason I'm against others smoking. If you can smoke without making me cough up a lung I'm cool with it.

2. To a non-smoker, smoking doesn't make sense. Do I want to get my lungs paved with tar, blow a ton of money, and do stupid things like stand outside in freezing wind just so I can get a buzz? There are other ways of having a good time, eh?

And the worst part is, for regular smokers, a cigarette buzz becomes a rare experience.

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Ye the morning one is the only buzz....Then back to sleep and repeat.

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fissionfowl wrote:
SchachMatt wrote:

Smoking is gross, wasteful, and aggressively unhealthy for the smoker and those around him or her.  It is a red flag for low self esteem and herd mentality, i.e. "followers".  People who are uncomfortable in their own skin use it as a crutch in social situations because it gives them something to do with their hands. 

 

I can't believe people are starving on this planet and fields are planted with tobacco leaves. 

No argument here.

Well, as usual, I've got one.

You're worried about lack of food, and you point to tobacco fields?  I really did smack my forehead when I read that one.

Most of the best farm land has been paved under or set aside for golf courses and graveyards.  I think actual agricultural use of land is much better.  At least the possibility of growing foodstuffs still exists where folks grow tobacco.

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