Did people say not to play long games? At least, that wasn’t MY point. I think that playing long games is important, but it’s certainly not the only way to improve.
classical chess is for crippled old birds
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Apr 25, 2022
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#43
Oh, well if it isn’t interesting for you than just say it like that, from what I read it seemed like you were trying to say classical isn’t as valid as blitz
have a good day and enjoy your flagging
CooloutAC wrote:
llama51 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
they don't bear repeating.
We can agree on that.
Look at the above post. That kid now 15 year old Gm Elect and his coach also tells him to do tons of puzzles and speed chess. Chess has gotten much more advanced over the years and we have all these online tools and tailored training regiments. Its not the 1940s anymore.
What would you know about chess improvement?! 😂😂😂😆😆😆
On a serious note, it really doesn't matter if you play blitz or classical. By playing and practicing in the right way, anyone can get better regardless of the time control. It's stupid to discriminate skill levels based on time control. Some people get good playing classical tournaments. Some people get good playing online blitz games. They can both reach the same skill level with enough work.
Apr 25, 2022
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#45
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
Did people say not to play long games? At least, that wasn’t MY point. I think that playing long games is important, but it’s certainly not the only way to improve.
Coolout says a few argumentative and silly things.
For one he claims his opponent's argument is any amount of speed chess is bad, which no one has argued.
Secondly he claims there's no need for long games at all.
Apr 25, 2022
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#46
CooloutAC wrote:
llama51 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
llama51 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
they don't bear repeating.
We can agree on that.
Look at the above post. That kid now 15 year old Gm Elect and his coach also tells him to do tons of puzzles and speed chess. Chess has gotten much more advanced over the years and we have all these online tools and tailored training regiments. Its not the 1940s anymore.
Nearly every strong player (and weak player) enjoys blitz. What does that have to do with the main point:
Coaches say to play long games, and you disagree without a good reason.
I can just repeat the opposite points back to you. Coaches also say to do puzzles and play fast games.
And why are my reasons not good? Can you point one out and explain? I'm not saying it wouldn't help, I'm simply saying one is not necessarily better then the other.
The burden of argument is on the person challenging the experts.
I don't disagree with conventional wisdom.
I'm sure @TacticalPrecision would love this!
Apr 25, 2022
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#48
because_checkmate wrote:
Yes to this. The deluded, slow thinking, stare-at-the-board players who imagine they are really "deep" even though they end up making the same move a bullet player makes in 2 seconds, THEY ARE PATHETIC. Chess is a game of warfare where the element of time is very real. Without it, it's just a computer program.
All the chess masters of old were pathetic for thinking deeply?
Without the element of time, chess is just a computer program?
At some point you must mention our reptilian overlords.
Apr 25, 2022
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#49
Wait, no need for long games at all? There’s plenty need!!!! I don’t know if your just trying to argue with a bunch of people or you actually believe that, but either way I respectfully disagree to the fullest extent
Apr 25, 2022
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#50
chaotikitat wrote:
I don’t know if your just trying to argue with a bunch of people
Let me stop you right there.
Yes, that's what he's doing. It's also what he's known for.
Apr 25, 2022
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#51
Didn’t know that, ok I leave now since it isn’t serious
can I have 13 cents back in change .-.
Apr 25, 2022
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#52
chaotikitat wrote:
Didn’t know that, ok I leave now since it isn’t serious
can I have 13 cents back in change .-.
Yeah, too bad isn't it 
CooloutAC wrote:
chaotikitat wrote:
Wait, no need for long games at all? There’s plenty need!!!! I don’t know if your just trying to argue with a bunch of people or you actually believe that, but either way I respectfully disagree to the fullest extent
I absolutely believe that. We see it with the age of online chess. with the new and upcoming chess players. With myself personally. Even with the sentiments of the pros and commentators who are trying to move the sport forward to become more popular by general society. You got very skilled players on this website who rarely if ever play classical. I think it was Naroditzky who said during the SCC championship that he has watched the evolution of chess online and 5 min blitz is the new rapid lol. Classical is only necessary if being good at classical is your aspiration.
Ok get past 700 and maybe someone will believe you 😆 😆 😆
Apr 25, 2022
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#54
if your focus is just on winning then sure, play by intuition & keep flagging scrubs... if you'd rather improve your skills, leaving enough time to make educated decisions between your candidate moves is helpful:
big difference between 3/0 & 3/2. 🙂
Isn’t the only difference that there’s no dirty flagging?
CooloutAc you alright there? Do you know what chess is about?
Apr 25, 2022
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#57
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
Isn’t the only difference that there’s no dirty flagging?
+2 involves fairly different evaluation IMO. For example if my endgame is winning, and I need 20 moves to queen a pawn plus another 5 to win all their pieces so I can premove the mate, then I can't do it if I have 10 seconds and no increment... but it would be easy to do with +2 increment.
So it changes how positions are evaluated. With no increment I can even have good winning chances after blundering (not sacrificing, but blundering) a full knight if it's my 60 seconds vs their 30 seconds in an unclear position. But with increment a small but permanent disadvantage like a bad pawn structure with no real counterplay might ultimately lose me the game.
CooloutAc I think I know why you believe it to be that.
Apr 25, 2022
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#59
Steven-ODonoghue wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
I did. Most people have in modern times. Speed chess and practice exercises. Not only did I learn by playing speedchess. If it wasn't for speedchess I would not have even got interested in chess.
I am the same as Coolout, I got introduced to chess through online blitz. Online blitz and bullet is what I enjoy, it is all I play nowadays and all I ever intend to play.
In the past I would have disagreed with coolout here, but I think he is slowly winning me over.
In my opinion the old days of "never play blitz, don't study openings, slowly work through chess books with a real board, meticulously analyse your classical games with a pencil and paper" are over.
kids these days are getting better by playing thousands of blitz and bullet games online, then relaxing by watching chess on youtube, solving puzzles for hours, drilling openings all day on chessable, doing puzzle rush etc. IMO this is how you improve in 2022
not only do I think that classical chess is on it's way out, but I truly belive that it is possible to become one of the best online blitz and bullet players in the world with no classical chess whatsoever.
I think in the next 5-10 years we will start seeing more and more young players - products of the online chess generation who are getting online ratings of 3000 and above, without ever setting foot in a classical tournament.
Beginners only play blitz, even without clocks, because until they learn something about the game they do not have enough to think about to give them any reason to play slower. You need to be able to see threats in order to be able to invest time analyzing these threats.
Nonetheless, learning these principles through proper instruction and then practicing them in slow games will cement the lessons effectively. Even so, one possible benefit of blitz is that more positions will be seen. The drawback is that fewer of them will be evaluated.
You might be right about the future, but I doubt it.
Most of the beginners reading this are not drilling on Chessable. Those who are may be improving faster.
I strongly disagree and think that you haven’t discovered enough about the game to understand the pure beauty of it . Every move has a purpose. The position is unique. There are many solutions to think of, variations to calculate and that’s why chess is so fun to a lot of deep thinkers. If all you do is play blitz or bullet then your really missing out on the true satisfaction of knowing that you out calculated your opponent or understood deeper than them. Not just hoping they are too slow on the clock or made a few more blunders than you did. I dare say there isn’t nearly as much satisfaction from winning a bullet game as a classical one.
they don't bear repeating.
We can agree on that.
Look at the above post. That kid now 15 year old Gm Elect and his coach also tells him to do tons of puzzles and speed chess. Chess has gotten much more advanced over the years and we have all these online tools and tailored training regiments. Its not the 1940s anymore.
Nearly every strong player (and weak player) enjoys blitz. What does that have to do with the main point:
Coaches say to play long games, and you disagree without a good reason.