Climate Science = Lysenkoism

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JamieDelarosa

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/04/28/the-disgraceful-episode-of-lysenkoism-brings-us-global-warming-theory/

The Disgraceful Episode Of Lysenkoism Brings Us Global Warming Theory

Peter Ferrara, Forbes/Opinion, 28 April 2013

Trofim Lysenko became the Director of the Soviet Lenin All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences in [1940] under Josef Stalin.  He was an advocate of the theory that characteristics acquired by plants during their lives could be inherited by later generations stemming from the changed plants, which sharply contradicted Mendelian genetics.  As a result, Lysenko became a fierce critic of theories of the then rising modern genetics.

Under Lysenko’s view, for example, grafting branches of one plant species onto another could create new plant hybrids that would be perpetuated by the descendants of the grafted plant.  Or modifications made to seeds would be inherited by later generations stemming from that seed.  Or that plucking all the leaves off of a plant would cause descendants of the plant to be leafless.

Lysenkoism was “politically correct” (a term invented by Lenin) because it was consistent with certain broader Marxist doctrines.  Marxists wanted to believe that heredity had a limited role even among humans, and that human characteristics changed by living under socialism would be inherited by subsequent generations of humans.  Thus would be created the selfless new Soviet man.

Also Lysenko himself arose from a peasant background and developed his theories from practical applications rather than controlled scientific experiments.  This fit the Marxist propaganda of the time holding that brilliant industrial innovations would arise from the working classes through practical applications.  Lysenko’s theories also seemed to address in a quick and timely manner the widespread Soviet famines of the time arising from the forced collectivization of agriculture, rather than the much slower changes from scientific experimentation and genetic heredity.

Lysenko was consequently embraced and lionized by the Soviet media propaganda machine.  Scientists who promoted Lysenkoism with faked data and destroyed counterevidence were favored with government funding and official recognition and award.  Lysenko and his followers and media acolytes responded to critics by impugning their motives, and denouncing them as bourgeois fascists resisting the advance of the new modern Marxism.

The V.I. Lenin Academy of Agricultural Sciences announced on August 7, 1948 that thenceforth Lysenkoism would be taught as the only correct theory.  All Soviet scientists were required to denounce any work that contradicted Lysenkoism.  Ultimately, Soviet geneticists resisting Lysenkoism were imprisoned and even executed.  Lysenkoism was abandoned for the correct modern science of Mendelian genetics only as late as 1964.

The full article can be read at the link, above

JamieDelarosa

The point of this piece is that Lysenkoism is being repeated with Global Warming Alarmism.

This same practice of Lysenkoism has long been under way in western science in regard to the politically correct theory of man caused, catastrophic, global warming.  That theory serves the political fashions of the day in promoting vastly increased government powers and control over the private economy.  Advocates of the theory are lionized in the dominant Democrat party-controlled media in the U.S., and in leftist controlled media in other countries.  Critics of the theory are denounced as “deniers,” and even still bourgeois fascists, with their motives impugned.

Those who promote the theory are favored with billions from government grants and neo-Marxist environmentalist largesse, and official recognition and award.  Faked and tampered data and evidence has arisen in favor of the politically correct theory.  Is not man-caused, catastrophic global warming now the only theory allowed to be taught in schools in the West?

Those in positions of scientific authority in the West who have collaborated with this new Lysenkoism because they felt they must be politically correct, and/or because of the money, publicity, and recognition to be gained, have disgraced themselves and the integrity of their institutions, organizations and publications.

- Anthony Watts

Raspberry_Yoghurt

This must be one of the dumbest things existing on the internet. He is comparing Lysenkoisme til AGW even though there are absolutely no parallels.

It was illegal to criticize Lysenko. Whereas it is perfectly legal to criticize AGW, he's doing it himself lol. 

Alternativ theories are taught in school, contrary to what he says. Probably he doesnt know how to google.

AGW isnt a "western" thing, as I told you already Japan is independently of the west researching AGW. But I cal tel you again isince you forgot: Japan is independently researching AGW. Japan is not in the west. Therefore AGW = non-western.

The data he is himself referring on the flattening of the temperature rise in the last 5 years COMES from AGW-people. Which does not prevent him from stupidly denying that AGW releases any data lol.

The guy is working for a think tank, he is paid big $$ to spout his nonsense. Incredible that american media is giving space to sucn a bunch of lies.


The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank founded in 1984 and based in Chicago. The Institute conducts work on issues including education reform, government spending, taxation, healthcare, education, tobacco policy, global warminghydraulic fracturing, information technology, and free-market environmentalism.

In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question or deny the health risks ofsecondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans.[2] More recently, the Heartland Institute is the primary American supporter of climate change denial.[3][4][5][6] It rejects the scientific consensus that global warming poses a significant danger to the planet[7] and that human activity is driving it,[8] and says that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy.[9]

JamieDelarosa
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:

This must be one of the dumbest things existing on the internet. He is comparing Lysenkoisme til AGW even though there are absolutely no parallels.

It was illegal to criticize Lysenko. Whereas it is perfectly legal to criticize AGW, he's doing it himself lol. 

Alternativ theories are taught in school, contrary to what he says. Probably he doesnt know how to google.

AGW isnt a "western" thing, as I told you already Japan is independently of the west researching AGW. But I cal tel you again isince you forgot: Japan is independently researching AGW. Japan is not in the west. Therefore AGW = non-western.

The data he is himself referring on the flattening of the temperature rise in the last 5 years COMES from AGW-people. Which does not prevent him from stupidly denying that AGW releases any data lol.

The guy is working for a think tank, he is paid big $$ to spout his nonsense. Incredible that american media is giving space to sucn a bunch of lies.


The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank founded in 1984 and based in Chicago. The Institute conducts work on issues including education reform, government spending, taxation, healthcare, education, tobacco policy, global warminghydraulic fracturing, information technology, and free-market environmentalism.

In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question or deny the health risks ofsecondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans.[2] More recently, the Heartland Institute is the primary American supporter of climate change denial.[3][4][5][6] It rejects the scientific consensus that global warming poses a significant danger to the planet[7] and that human activity is driving it,[8] and says that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy.[9]

Of course there are parallels.  You didn't read the full op-ed by Ferrara, did you?

And true to form, like a good little fellow-traveller, your response is an ad hominem attack.

Ferrara predicted such a response.  In his article, he wrote:

Still another tip off should have been the practice of the alarmist new Lysenkoists to respond to dissenting science with ad hominem attacks.  That apparently reflects poor public schooling that never taught that an ad hominem attack is a logical fallacy, as Aristotle taught more than 2,000 years ago.  My how western science has fallen.


You have been hoist with your own petard!

Ghostliner
zzzzzz. Mr Elroch provided a complete, and completely satisfactory answer to this claim on the other thread.
JamieDelarosa

“OVER the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat while greenhouse-gas emissions have continued to soar. The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750. And yet, as James Hansen, the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, observes, ‘the five-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade. . . .’”

- The Economist

Actually, the recent Karl, et al. (2015) paper went to great lengths to once again "Hide the Decline".

The data is not coming from "AGW sources" - the decline is demonstrated by the RSS feed, and from the independent, state-of-the-art, U.S. Climate Reference Network.  (You don't hear a lot about the latter, for good reason - their data contradicts the stuff Mann and others have been manipulating!)

JamieDelarosa
Ghostliner wrote:
zzzzzz. Mr Elroch provided a complete, and completely satisfactory answer to this claim on the other thread.

"Satisfactory" for alarmist crowd!

He won't have the opportunity to repeat his errors here, but you may cross-post if you wish.

Ghostliner
I'll pass thanks, if that's all the same to you ;)
VirtualKnightJoakim

I disagree, but pass on this forum.

Nightmare_King1

Good read, the Jamie, love the forums ;)

Raspberry_Yoghurt
JamieDelarosa wrote:
Raspberry_Yoghurt wrote:

This must be one of the dumbest things existing on the internet. He is comparing Lysenkoisme til AGW even though there are absolutely no parallels.

It was illegal to criticize Lysenko. Whereas it is perfectly legal to criticize AGW, he's doing it himself lol. 

Alternativ theories are taught in school, contrary to what he says. Probably he doesnt know how to google.

AGW isnt a "western" thing, as I told you already Japan is independently of the west researching AGW. But I cal tel you again isince you forgot: Japan is independently researching AGW. Japan is not in the west. Therefore AGW = non-western.

The data he is himself referring on the flattening of the temperature rise in the last 5 years COMES from AGW-people. Which does not prevent him from stupidly denying that AGW releases any data lol.

The guy is working for a think tank, he is paid big $$ to spout his nonsense. Incredible that american media is giving space to sucn a bunch of lies.


The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank founded in 1984 and based in Chicago. The Institute conducts work on issues including education reform, government spending, taxation, healthcare, education, tobacco policy, global warminghydraulic fracturing, information technology, and free-market environmentalism.

In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question or deny the health risks ofsecondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans.[2] More recently, the Heartland Institute is the primary American supporter of climate change denial.[3][4][5][6] It rejects the scientific consensus that global warming poses a significant danger to the planet[7] and that human activity is driving it,[8] and says that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy.[9]

Of course there are parallels.  You didn't read the full op-ed by Ferrara, did you?

And true to form, like a good little fellow-traveller, your response is an ad hominem attack.

Ferrara predicted such a response.  In his article, he wrote:

Still another tip off should have been the practice of the alarmist new Lysenkoists to respond to dissenting science with ad hominem attacks.  That apparently reflects poor public schooling that never taught that an ad hominem attack is a logical fallacy, as Aristotle taught more than 2,000 years ago.  My how western science has fallen.


You have been hoist with your own petard!

Yeah I read it. Most of it was a rehash of the Lysenko affair which i know already. He provided zero arguments why ADW has anything to do with Lysenko affair.

And I am not responding with ad hominem attacks, I didnt write he was wrong becauese of who he his, he is wrong just because he is wrong.

I can tell you again

Japan not in west

Japan do AGW research

So AGW research no western property

And no under west control

Raspberry_Yoghurt
JamieDelarosa wrote:

“OVER the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat while greenhouse-gas emissions have continued to soar. The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750. And yet, as James Hansen, the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, observes, ‘the five-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade. . . .’”

- The Economist

Actually, the recent Karl, et al. (2015) paper went to great lengths to once again "Hide the Decline".

The data is not coming from "AGW sources" - the decline is demonstrated by the RSS feed, and from the independent, state-of-the-art, U.S. Climate Reference Network.  (You don't hear a lot about the latter, for good reason - their data contradicts the stuff Mann and others have been manipulating!)

 

The RSS is measuring the upper atmospere which according to AGW is supposed to be cold.

You would know that if you had the sligtest clue of what AGW is. It took me 2 minutes to google it, and you, well i spoonfed the information to you twice and you cannot understand it.

RSS = upper atmopshere

AGW makes upper atmosphere colder.

I have also spoofed you the information that Japan is conducting AGW research and conducting their own measurement. Your weird idea that Mann is controlling the world's entire temmepature measurements is just that, weird.

Do you think he owns all the termometres in the world lol?

Raspberry_Yoghurt

Oh sorry should explain you what a thermometre is, It's the gizmo you use to measure temperatures. And let me know whan you figure out what the difference between 100 and one million years is. 

Ghostliner
I'm afraid I have little in the way of sympathy J, I marked this thread down as a bad joke as soon as I saw its title and I'm not even a scientist.
Ghostliner
I could also add that describing Stalinist Russia circa 1940 as 'Marxist' betrays a shocking level of historical ignorance.
Wolfbird

Agreed. This is all about politics anyway. It has nothing to do with science or truth. The people who have all their money tied up in petroleum and big oil are running scared.

VirtualKnightJoakim

See other thread, forum also by JamieDelarosa: 
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/off-topic/nobel-laureate-destroys-global-warming-hoax

Wolfbird

Politics. Politicians. Lobbyists. Money. Greed. Evil.

I'd rather be on the side of cleaning up the huge mess humans have created.

Wolfbird

Jamie has no other life but to create threads like this...

trysts

She does inspire people to write their opinions on the matter:)